SP, MLRS and SPAA Developments

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Been tracking the same, from my files from last July...
http://www.armyrecognition.com/july_..._50507161.html

I haven't read my "papers" yet but I'm sure this will have been updated or soon will be. We have time to ensure this goes all the way.

We've been burned game wise by contract cancellations before , the USMC w/EFV and India w/MMCRA and others from India several times, come to mind as does the ARCHER which I think still needs to be addressed.

As an add on (Shows how long I maintain my files since my hiatus.) the ARCHER issue I referred to above, concerns Norway having dropped out of the program in the joint development of the system with Sweden on 06 Dec. 2013. I think we had them put in for that years patch or previous one as they were to have received 24 UNITS by the end of 2013 for Norway. Sorry haven't had a chance until the previous post brought my memory back to regional associated arty issues was made to check in on that situation.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...project-05142/

I'm more cautious about these things now because it just seems there are more pressures on defense spending now and priorities are in flux with reactions to what Russia and China are doing at any given moment. And it saves on rework as well game wise.

Regards,
Pat

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Don if your up against it (And you are.) no worries at all then. If you have the time though...

NORWAY/ARCHER SPA/UNITS 600 - 601/DELETE// On 6 December 2013 Norway dropped out of the program due to many reasons from financial to Sweden not fulfilling the delivery portion of the contract which was to be meant by end of 2013. All true. Sweden has just recently bought the remaining 24 UNITS meant for Norway (Each had a 24 UNIT split of the total production run of 48 UNITS.) of those 24, 12 will go into storage and they hope to find a customer for the remaining 12 UNITS. More on Norway's SPA search below.
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/art...-the-plug.html
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...project-05142/

SWEDEN/ARCHER SPA/UNITS 416 & 463/ADD/LEMUR RCWS 12.7mm w/4 Grenade Launchers (2 per side.)/200 Ready Rds. - 1500-2000 stored VICE 7.62mm./Mounted over crew cab behind driver./Has Day & Night sights w/TI/GSR /Kongsberg RWS was dropped apparently./CHANGE/UNITS 416 & 463/START DATE TO FEB. 2016 per ref. one below./Armed with BONUS rounds. For FYI, they are not considered a CM munition but a precision munition.//
Sweden on it's own and stuck with the bill more or less. Note the glowing review in the last ref. by a Norwegian artillery officer. It shows how things "can turn on a dime".
http://www.forsvarsmakten.se/en/news...lery-regiment/
http://www.military-today.com/artillery/archer.htm
http://www.janes.com/article/63964/s...llery-purchase
https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/ht.../20161013.aspx
http://www.bundesheer.at/truppendien...el.php?id=1138

Norway since ARCHER as it hunts for a new SPA Platform...
http://www.fsi.no/sfiles/90/14/1/fil...k-4-5-2015.pdf
https://aw.my.com/en/forum/showthrea...illery-systems (Scroll to page 4.)
http://www.americanmilitaryforum.com...pa-tender.562/
http://www.snafu-solomon.com/2016/08...echwin-k9.html

Pics:



A good way to get out of cleaning out the gutters today, tomorrow is another story!?!

Regards,
Pat

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

God this was aggravating forgot to "sort" my refs "A-Z" today and completely missed this...
http://www.janes.com/article/67551/e...th-south-korea
http://www.janes.com/article/67827/f...om-south-korea

For Finland it'll be awhile though much like it was for Sweden with the ARCHER...

"Deliveries of the howitzers to Finland are due to begin during 2017, in order to begin staff training this year. Finnish conscripts are due to begin being trained on the K9 in 2019, while deliveries of all 48 systems are due to be completed by 2024. This timeline accords with previously released Finnish plans to declare initial operating capability with a new howitzer in 2020 and full operating capability in 2025."

SOP: Maintenanced, Modified to customer specs (Finnish name plates would be a good idea on the pieces parts. You laugh but I've seen that out here a couple of times in delaying shipment.), Tested, Accepted, Shipped, Inspected and Evaluated in the field.

Scandinavia and neighboring areas are sure is a busy place for South Korea right now!

Regards,
Pat

[dmnt]

Reports that FIN is purchasing 48 howitzers, but numbers don't add up. FIN gov has talked about approximately USD 100M purchase. However, tech transfer or maintenance etc. might not be included. (thread continues in Swedish, but machine translation works) https://twitter.com/a7_FIN_SWE/statu...59670779056128

[MarkSheppard]

New SWEDISH SPA.

http://www.baesystems.com/en/article...o-swedish-army

BAE Systems has received a 575 million SEK ($68 million) contract for the installation of vehicle mounted mortar systems on Swedish Army CV90 Infantry Fighting Vehicles.

The installation of the company’s mortar system, known as Mjölner, on 40 CV90s will considerably increase the indirect fire capability of the vehicles to support mechanized battalions.

“The delivery of the Mjölner solution to the Swedish Army allows it to field a capability well adapted for the CV90 while enhancing the fleet’s firepower,” said Tommy Gustafsson-Rask, managing director of BAE Systems Hägglunds.

Mjölner is the hammer of Thor in Norse mythology. The contract was issued by the Swedish Defence Materiel Administration (FMV), with first deliveries scheduled to take place in the first quarter of 2019.

CV90 is a family of Swedish tracked combat vehicles designed for FMV by BAE Systems Hägglunds and BAE Systems Bofors, which provides the vehicle’s turrets. More than 4.5 million engineering hours has contributed to the development of this advanced vehicle. The Swedish version is outfitted with a turret equipped with a 40 mm autocannon.

The Swedish Army has more than 500 CV90s. Earlier this year, BAE Systems was awarded a contract to refurbish 262 of the vehicles, including survivability, turret, and combat system performance upgrades. Adding the mounted mortar systems addresses another priority that helps increase the vehicles’ lifespan in support of Army capabilities.

Denmark, Estonia, Finland, the Netherlands, Norway, and Switzerland also operate CV90s.

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A Swedish member on another forum says:

After plowing through the sketchy explanations people have offered up online I'm confident that Mjölner is muzzle loading.

A human loader grab rounds and place them in the two rails depicted in the above prototype photo, a loading system then carries the rounds up towards the muzzle and then inserts them.

This is what allows for the higher rate of fire, the breech takes longer to open, load and close.

I can report that everyone who's had a chance to get a closer look at the system are very pleased.

Compared to AMOS the pros are a higher rate of fire, more storage for rounds and much cheaper cost which allows for more units given the available funds.

The cons are no firing on the move and no MRSI, at least initially. But the overall consensus is that it will be a better indirect fire platform.

[DRG]

Originally Posted by MarkSheppard

New SWEDISH SPA.
first deliveries scheduled to take place in the first quarter of 2019.

Lets wait and see what it really looks like in a year or two.....or three

Don

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

I've said it before and I'll say it again...We need to slow things (And Mark I'm not saying this applies to your last.) down. I'm again sensing a certain rush or urgency to get equipment into this game. We've got until 2026 (Or longer?) for final submissions and personally I don't wish to spend that time like a few of us did about 4-5 years ago almost wasting a "patch season" on deleting equipment that "never was" for whatever reason you can think of. It was just an exercise in frustration and wonderment as to how some of what got in quite frankly did get in. So with the last two posts in mind and for TRACKING purposes only I give you the following with a related story (Somewhat) to follow at least in the "platform area". I must say I do like the concept...
http://www.armyrecognition.com/decem..._12612162.html

Again platform related but, more for the APC Thread...
The Dutch looking to protect theirs and again for TRACKING only...
http://www.armyrecognition.com/decem..._12612161.html

Breathe in Breathe out-I feel better already!

Regards,
Pat

[Suhiir]

I'll second that.

The USMC rebuild got rid of a LOT of stuff that the original OOB builder assumed the USMC had because the US Army did, thought they had a lot more of then they actually did, and had a mish-mash of USAF, USN, and USMC aircraft. And that's ignoring the assumption that USMC administrative formations are also their combat formations like the US Army.

Don put in god knows how many hours cleaning out "what if" and no one wants to put in anything that's not solidly verified and have to do it again.

[DRG]

I don't mind putting it in once we can actually see one rumbling along a road. I got ahead of myself ( again ) with the USMC ACV......that's why it's right beside the ill-fated EFVP and yes pulling all the things the US Army eventually stopped development on but we had in the OOB's was a major PITA I don't want to repeat anytime soon. I do appreciate heads up info on new equipment but I really do try to contain my enthusiasm adding things that are still artist concepts but there will always be exceptions

[IronDuke99]

I very much doubt that even anywhere close to 50% of military 'concepts' ever actually enter service in a recognisable form.

Add to that the huge factor of budget constraints, operational changes (ie, you start, or stop, fighting an actual conflict)etc, and you are looking at really very few 'concepts' actually reaching service.

Case in point one: The Russian Armata, how many will actually be in service in one year? How many in five years? How many in ten years? And that does not even begin to look at if they will actually work as it says on the tin...

Case in point two: The whole, hugely expensive, in both time and money, British Army FRES debacle, that has resulted in nothing more than Ajax, that is a very large, and heavy, recce vehicle that lacks the means to fight and defeat anything as well, or better, armoured than it is...