Team games: Teams vs Alliances

[Septimius Severus]

Well Sombre, once again, I am not attempting to really get players, just wanted to share an opinion and get some input on various team game questions. If you think my posts are offensive, innappropriate, I've broken any forum rules, or they annoy you it would be more effective and more polite to lodge a complaint with the moderators.

In the meantime, please allow everyone else their right to post and make use of these forums without having to worry about being jumped on, attacked, or criticized for every single thing they say or do. Feedback, commentary, and constructive criticism is always welcome. So is civil debate. But I think we should all try to be as positive as possible and help one another whenever possible. I'd like to think we are all/can all be friends here and not let differences or the past get the better of us. Betake yourself to my busom Sombre, and let me wrap my loving arms around you and call you friend.

And don't always take everything I post so seriously, especially the self promoting, ad-man, advertising variety, I sure don't.

[Gregstrom]

prolific=/=effective

[Gregstrom]

See one of Trumanator's posts above.

In those rare games with teams of more than 2...

[Sombre]

I think they are rare, but I think teams of 2 are also pretty rare. They're definitely a bit more common though, possibly because the overall game size is smaller so more of them are packed into the same period.

[Septimius Severus]

Originally Posted by Sombre

I think they are rare, but I think teams of 2 are also pretty rare. They're definitely a bit more common though, possibly because the overall game size is smaller so more of them are packed into the same period.

Sorry if that previous post wasn't clear. It was as Gregstrom pointed out in response to the suggestion that teams of greater than 2 are rarer. I think the opposite to be the case. And if one looks at the all of the team games currently running with active threads on Shrapnel, the majority have 3 or more players on a team.

But I do think that the more players on the team, the more solidly you get into real team dynamics and the further you get away from at least some of the FFA mentality. Cooperation becomes more important. Team identity is increased. The load on each individual is reduced and task delegation becomes more of an art. Everything that it means to be a "team" increases when there are more than 2 people in the team. IMHO.

[namad]

to me.... an alliance is a diplomatic agreement you have promised to uphold.... which means you are 50-90% likely to not break it but easily still could for any reason at any time...


a TEAM is a matter of the game rules... you cannot violate your team because your team is literally only one entity.... in basketball you cannot score points for a third team consisting only of yourself and attempt to outscore both your opponents... it simply is not possible


the way i see it is... you either have teams composed of 2players or two teams full of players...


any other configuration is going to be a nightmare for many obvious reasons

[Maerlande]

I prefer alliances. The problem with teams is you might get stuck with a nutball teammate and you can't do anything about it without breaking the game rules.

Alliances are better because you can make other alliances and then gank your old ally and remove him from the game making a better game for everyone else. It's especially effective if he doesn't suspect you are about to backstab him.

If team games had a rule where you could gank an underperforming teammate I'd be all for it.

[namad]

all you have to do if you have a duo with a ****ty teammate is fire him and play both yourself :-p


i'd say the average dominions player doesn't have the heart/drive/communion/or time to properly play on a team of 4+ players


being on a team of 4 in one game is as much work as being in 2or3 games alone

[rdonj]

Originally Posted by namad

being on a team of 4 in one game is as much work as being in 2or3 games alone

This is most definitely true

[Septimius Severus]

Originally Posted by namad

all you have to do if you have a duo with a ****ty teammate is fire him and play both yourself :-p

Hehe, yeah, you could, though it would sorta double your workload depending upon the size of your teammates nation.

Originally Posted by namad

being on a team of 4 in one game is as much work as being in 2or3 games alone

Absolutely, the larger the team the more time and effort required. Hence part of the reason for the rarity of team games in general. I still think 3 or 4 on a team is managable. Amazingly we had as many as 12 in one of the NvV games. Though there were some communications issues, it was still able to be successfully carried off, gods only know how but it is a testament to the captains, players, and teamwork in general.

Depending upon your available free time, its sort of a choice, you can either play in 3-5 FFA type games or in my case 1 FFA and 1 team game at a time. Playing in fewer games simultaneously does have its advantages, if real life gets in the way, your HD explodes, or any number of things happens, you don't need to find a sub for 4 or 5 different games. I'm surprised anyone has the time for 4 or 5 games at once considering the amount of thought the Dom3 requires in general and outside affairs.