OOB 066 Sweden [WIP]

[DRG]

Going through that OOB looking for the RR I noticed the IKV assualt guns and I was SURE I had redone those a year or two back but I can't find them....weird how the mind plays memory tricks sometimes. I distinctly remember finding a primo top view to work from and I can clearly picture the Icon but so far no luck finding it

Don

[DRG]

How does..... because the guy who wrote the OOB didn't set them up that way....... ?

If you have a company structure, I'll put them in but from my POV if there are no engineers in companies maybe it's because the Swedes don't use them that way

As for other nations.... the same thing applies but it may also be that "engineers" in many armies do engineering more than combat assault... and for that task buying by platoons works for most players

It has only ever been brought up once in 2 decades....and that was today

[wulfir]

Originally Posted by DRG

If you have a company structure, I'll put them in but from my POV if there are no engineers in companies maybe it's because the Swedes don't use them that way...

There are so many (some with slight differences) I get a headache from just trying to piece them together. Some might be relevant for the game, many with construction type assignments are not.

I thought maybe it was a question of balance, a way to reduce OOB clutter, or a sort of game decision on companies that can be expected to be divided up on operations...

[DRG]

Originally Posted by wulfir

There are so many (some with slight differences) I get a headache from just trying to piece them together. Some might be relevant for the game, many with construction type assignments are not.

I thought maybe it was a question of balance, a way to reduce OOB clutter, or a sort of game decision on companies that can be expected to be divided up on operations...

Nope.....they were added or not based on who wrote the OOB and more importantly....who mentioned that whatever nation is missing them...like I said why there aren't engineer coys in every OOB is a matter of who wrote it and if they weren't included and still aren't included then nobody mentioned they are missing and would be useful.

But I'm betting there are more in the game than show up in those two lists

[DRG]

IDK about.."they sometimes, but seldom, exist in company formations"

that's a bit more than "seldom"

MBT
NationName NationID formname formtype
Poland 2 Mot Engineer Co 2
Israel 4 Arm'd Eng Grp 2
Israel 4 Arm'd Eng Grp 2
Iran 10 Engineer Co 2
Iran 10 Engineer Co 2
China 14 Engineer Co 2
China 14 Engineer Co + 2
Gulf States 16 Engineer Co 2
Iraq 17 ILAV Eng Co 2
South Vietnam 24 Engineer Co 2
Canada 30 Mech Eng Coy+ 2
Canada 30 Motor Eng Coy 2
Canada 30 Mech Eng Coy 2
Italy 34 Mot Engineer Co 2
Italy 34 Mech Eng Co 2
Green 42 Engineer Co 2
Germany 44 Armour Engr Co 2
Germany 44 Armour Engr Co 2
Germany 44 MRV Engr Kp 2
Argentina 45 Engineer Co 2
Cyprus 47 Mech Eng Co 2
Cyprus 47 Engineer Co 2
Brazil 48 Engineer Co 2
Cuba 49 Engineer Co 2
Cuba 49 Mot Engineer Co 2
Cuba 49 Mech Eng Co 2
Switzerland 53 Mot Engineer Co 2
Angola 56 Engineer Co 2
Chile 59 Engineer Co 2
Nigeria 61 Engineer Co 2
Saudi Arabia 64 Engineer Co 2
Sudan 67 Engineer Co 2
Indonesia 71 Engineer Co 2
South Yemen 76 Engineer Co 2
Yemen 77 Engineer Co 2
Eritrea 78 Engineer Co 2
UN 80 Engineer Co 2
Ecuador 82 Engineer Co 2
El Salvador 83 Engineer Co 2
Nicaragua 84 Engineer Co 2
Peru 85 Engineer Co 2
Uganda 90 Engineer Co 2
Uruguay 91 Engineer Co 2
Paraguay 92 Engineer Co 2


WW2
NationName NationID formname formtype
France 6 Sec Engins Inf 2
France 6 Sec Eng Chass 2
Vichy France 8 Sec Eng Chass 2
Soviet Union 11 Mot Engineer Co 2
Soviet Union 11 Engineer Co 2
USA 12 Cbt Eng Co 2
USA 12 Armd Eng Co 2
Hungary 38 Engineer Co 2
Romania 39 Engineer Co 2
Romania 39 Engineer Co 2
Romania 39 Engineer Co 2
Thailand 41 Engineer Co 2

and that's just the ones with 'eng ' in their title so the German SturmPionierKp isn't on that list

[wulfir]

Originally Posted by DRG

that's a bit more than "seldom"

Heh, that's more than I would have guessed.

[DRG]

If you want them in the Swede OOB I can guess they are organised like normal infantry .... but I'm guessing most players pick a plt here and there otherwise this would have come up before now

[wulfir]

Originally Posted by DRG

If you want them in the Swede OOB...

In the future maybe, I'm tinkering with a custom OOB for my own use but I have plenty of research to do still..., but I'd like to keep it in line with the others in the OOB. Any guidlines on anti-tank mines as a close assault weapon for engineer squads?

Originally Posted by DRG

but I'm guessing most players pick a plt here and there otherwise this would have come up before now

I'm pretty sure most players buy a platoon here and there for assault missions, when they need to clear mines..., for anything else regular infantry is better...

[Mobhack]

Engineers are really only relevant in the assault scenario for obstacle removal. A few may be handy if the opposition regularly uses cluster mines or bomblets in other battle types, but really they are a specific tool you only take out of the toolbox in the assault for most folks.

Plus they are usually lacking in infantry ranged combat weapons - often no LMG, and with SMG as a primary weapon. Since engineering skills cost points then if armed as a rifle section then more expensive than the riflemen, especially if no obstacles need clearance.

[wulfir]

Originally Posted by Mobhack

Engineers are really only relevant in the assault scenario for obstacle removal.

You are right, but I sometimes like to use less capable/less cost efficient forces - not particulary smart I guss, but it can be fun.

Normally I just buy an infantry company, keep the HQ and delete the rifle platoons, buy engineers instead and use the cross attach screen...

What about adding uncommon or geograpically limited infantry/armour type formations to the MISC purchase screen?