MP STACKERS, newbie game, (started) - Page 33

Gandalf Parker · #1 July 2nd, 2010, 05:53 PM

Well allowing the AI of Rlyeh to go thru will insure that it doesnt happen to Rlyeh again.
Whether it can happen again depends on the passwords of the players.

But I can leave the watch routine running, and the fact that its now recording who uploads what files can be a deterrent to future efforts.

Greyjoy · #2 July 2nd, 2010, 06:31 PM

There are still a good few titanic clashes to go, yep.

Nauquan · #3 July 2nd, 2010, 10:04 PM

Hmmm. Think of the bad turn as a handicap to the game leader?

I don't think just setting to AI is the answer since I will be able to take advantage of that.

How about this ... we all agree that nobody can enter the water (except maybe scouts for arms control verification). Turn the AI on for R'leyh and it would be a permanent hazard to nearby players.

Greyjoy · #4 July 3rd, 2010, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Nauquan

Hmmm. Think of the bad turn as a handicap to the game leader?

I don't think just setting to AI is the answer since I will be able to take advantage of that.

How about this ... we all agree that nobody can enter the water (except maybe scouts for arms control verification). Turn the AI on for R'leyh and it would be a permanent hazard to nearby players.

Well, I certainly prefer it to setting it AI with you able to enter.

An intriguing idea. I'm in favor of the agreement.

Nauquan · #5 July 3rd, 2010, 01:05 AM

It would be better if R'leyh could be removed from the game, but I don't know if that is possible. Just so everyone knows I have about 4 of R'leyh's water provinces right now. Two of which are just raids and soon to be lost.

Lingchih · #6 July 3rd, 2010, 03:11 AM

I would say end the game. I'm not a part of it, so I have no say, but I have been following it here and on IRC. The best choice is to end the game now. There has been obvious cheating, and that is not a part of the Dom3 community.

Amadamus · #7 July 3rd, 2010, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Lingchih

I would say end the game. I'm not a part of it, so I have no say, but I have been following it here and on IRC. The best choice is to end the game now. There has been obvious cheating, and that is not a part of the Dom3 community.

I'd actually go with this -this is a sad state of affairs.

But it cannot be explained how someone else can access the game besides BG. The aligations of cheating are serious and with out any proof that we have a genius hacker in our midst, It is rubbish that all the players in this game are implicated and carry a stigma of cheating.

Gregstrom · #8 July 3rd, 2010, 04:30 AM

It's easy enough to download another player's .trn file through direct connect. Assuming poor password security, a simple and easily automated dictionary attack will get you access to a turn file. Other attacks may be possible depending on the security of the .trn file's password system (and I have no idea how secure .trn files are - I'm not into hex editing).

The idea that hacking is less likely than anyone intentionally going back into a completed turn and
1: Countermanding a series of critical orders
2: Destroying some of their own items
3: Casting 4 (count them, 4) dispels at their own globals
is pretty ludicrous.

Amadamus · #9 July 3rd, 2010, 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Gregstrom

It's easy enough to download another player's .trn file through direct connect. Assuming poor password security, a simple and easily automated dictionary attack will get you access to a turn file. Other attacks may be possible depending on the security of the .trn file's password system (and I have no idea how secure .trn files are - I'm not into hex editing).

The idea that hacking is less likely than anyone intentionally going back into a completed turn and
1: Countermanding a series of critical orders
2: Destroying some of their own items
3: Casting 4 (count them, 4) dispels at their own globals
is pretty ludicrous.

Sounds like both of the scenarios you paint are equally ludicrous!

cwkjc · #10 July 3rd, 2010, 05:57 AM

Or another solution is double personality

Auto dispeling globals can't be a file or turn problem, all this is very strange but hacking the file of blackguard is so amazing that i can't imagine it, but as BG said facts are here.

So what is decided ? Game is stopped or not ?

My nation is not in a good position to prononce for stop or not.
And i'm leaving in holidays tuesday, but it's very sad the game was perfect before this amazing turn.

I would be very happy to begin in September a new game with the same players in the same conditions and hosted by our super Gandalf.

But it seems important to understand what happened clearly in this game.