Wh... wha.... what happened to the community?? :'(

[Executor]

I'm pretty sure neither side would agree, so than they'd open up a third forum for that. hahaha

[Squirrelloid]

Gandalf, its hard to include FrankTrollman in a post about forum drama when he deleted all his posts on this forum. Whatever drama was there is gone.

It can't just have been drama in the past, it must be drama we can go and savor. (Similarly, I've seen none of the Zen-related posts, if there are any, so if there was drama we need documentation!)

[Gandalf Parker]

Well some of the drama of Frank Trollman can be discovered thru the magic of Google which is aware of the Archived posts.
"Frank Trollman" site:forum.shrapnelgames.com
which is a trick to keep in mind since it totally whips the in-house search feature.

One of the drama threads..
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/archi...p/t-34058.html
I believe that we can all thank FT for the present policy which allows us very limited editing capabilities.

The same searching is true of Zen but its much harder to pin down since there are multiple variations of the login in use.

But one of the reasons I bring it up was the amount of surprise shown over the lack of info. Shrapnel has NEVER been much forthcoming with information in such situations. Not FT, Norfleet, Zen, me, Sombre and many others. Usually because most of it occurs in private conversations or emails so providing that info would be highly improper.

[Executor]

Originally Posted by Gandalf Parker

But one of the reasons I bring it up was the amount of surprise shown over the lack of info. Shrapnel has NEVER been much forthcoming with information in such situations. Not FT, Norfleet, Zen, me, Sombre and many others. Usually because most of it occurs in private conversations or emails so providing that info would be highly improper.

I haven't gone trough all the threads regarding that incident, but it sounds to me that is exactly what made everybody go bananas, the lack of info regarding the ban.

[Squirrelloid]

Its pretty obvious why Norfleet is no longer with us - that was rather public.

[Gandalf Parker]

I guess its relative. Most of the interesting discussions I remember about Norfleet involved betas, moderators, devs and staff. Im not sure if the public discussions ever got it quite right.

[Squirrelloid]

We have the relevant thread linked in the drama poll thread. You can go refresh your memory. Its actually a pretty good read.

[Gandalf Parker]

Exactly.
But WTF since thats been the way it has been with every incident for as long as I can remember it.

And its not likely to change. Or at least it shouldnt. As long as it involves posting something like "well in a private email to me he said".

This is not unusual. Ive moderated many forums, and online worlds. Its fairly standard to confront someone in private about their disgressions. And its also fairly common that the final straw occurs in those private conversations. Therefore, we will never really know what that final straw was.

[Executor]

Well I think a simple explanation could have maybe stopped or lessened the flame war, but than again, it's Shrapnel's prerogative, they have the final word and that's that, and I am all for dictatorship myself.

[Squirrelloid]

Justice is never served unless its public and transparent. And it lets the community know how justice operates and prevents accusations of power tripping or unfairness. (Unless of course that is what happened, then it becomes obvious - so public justice helps prevent favoritism, abuse of power, and other nonsense).