Boot Camp - Finished - Soyweiser/Jotunheim wins!

[DragonRider]

Oh boy. Two Knight invasions in a row. Gotta love those.

But here's a question. Which of the following is true?

1) If one army routs, but the second army loses its last commander before the battle is totally over, the second army will keep fighting anyway.

2) A hidden scout in a province counts as a commander for any troops fighting in that province, so they won't rout even if all their visible commanders die.

3) Royal Guards are total badasses and think commanders are for suckers anyway.

Because the thing that just happened isn't really in agreement with what I thought I knew about the game. The first one sounds the most reasonable but I could have sworn that it was specifically not true, and that battles could rarely be won by whoever routs the slowest.

[Valerius]

It looks like you've got several fights going on here! If things don't go well please try to hang in there until the end (or almost the end) instead of going AI. You'll put up a better last stand than the AI and this really does help make for a better game. Plus, the worse things get, the quicker your turns will be so it shouldn't even take much time.

[arnob]

Originally Posted by Valerius

It looks like you've got several fights going on here! If things don't go well please try to hang in there until the end (or almost the end) instead of going AI. You'll put up a better last stand than the AI and this really does help make for a better game. Plus, the worse things get, the quicker your turns will be so it shouldn't even take much time.

I confirm that my last turn was very quick but be sure that I'll play until the end.! Just the time to recruit some militias and I'll kick the big *** of the big giants

Arnob

[Soyweiser]

Originally Posted by arnob

I confirm that my last turn was very quick but be sure that I'll play until the end.! Just the time to recruit some militias and I'll kick the big *** of the big giants

Arnob

Without mammoths? (Who should live free, and not in slavery. Free the animals!). I doubt that. Those things really kicked my oversized hiney. I don't like those. I do like militia. Free exp .

And I kinda misjudged your fort. Never really paid attention to the defense stat. 700 is quite a lot I gather you still have around 250 left right? (Yeah, that is the bad thing about using small elite forces, even when the forces are giants, they don't have enough punch to open up the gates all that quick. And while I have boulder throwers, they only count as 1 giant extra in each siege. I was doubting it was worth the cost of getting the, horrible in combat, expensive, slow, boulder throwers.)

And sorry about the whole attacking you. But I was kinda hemmed in up there, and you where my weakest neighbour. (Who still put up quite a fight).

Jotun 'Peta' Heim

[arnob]

Originally Posted by Soyweiser

Without mammoths? (Who should live free, and not in slavery. Free the animals!). I doubt that. Those things really kicked my oversized hiney. I don't like those. I do like militia. Free exp .

And I kinda misjudged your fort. Never really paid attention to the defense stat. 700 is quite a lot I gather you still have around 250 left right?

And sorry about the whole attacking you. But I was kinda hemmed in up there, and you where my weakest neighbourh. (Who still put up quite a fight).

Jotun 'Peta' Heim

I just check the defense, it left only 632. So just a few years and it should be good ...

[Soyweiser]

Originally Posted by arnob

I just check the defense, it left only 632. So just a few years and it should be good ...

Seriously? I doubt there are more than 2 people left inside. And the last few turns my troops should have taken of around 100 def each turn.

[Soyweiser]

Dratz... could anybody confirm to me that this game is running diversity_1_1 (version 1.04)? (That is what it says in my mod list)

Somehow I only seem to have diversity_1_1 (version 1.01).

So I'm wondering if this game is using version 1.04 of the EDM, or 1.1 of the EDM (which is the most recent, and I think the versioning ingame is a bit bugged and gives an additional 0. (so version 1.1 becomes 1.01 (as my CBM is listed as 1.06)).

[Valerius]

Those two versions are probably the same thing. IIRC, when EDM 1.1 was first released it still said 1.04. I'm guessing that was the version that was uploaded to the llamaserver, though the one posted in the EDM thread (and that you have) was later corrected. Other than that correction they are the same file (and the mod filename is the same: diversity_1_1.dm).

[Valerius]

Good point. And Caelum has easy access to Call of the Winds, which gives a nice boost to defense at an affordable price. Of course if he has no mages left that won't do him any good.

This also illustrates the difference between playing to the end and going AI early. Instead of the AI suiciding its forces by trying to break a siege, a player can force their attacker to expend considerable resources to breach the walls and take the fort. In the meantime they can launch attacks against lightly defended provinces if they still have any kind of raiding potential.

[Soyweiser]

Yeah, but staying in your cap also makes you vulnerable to the tactic that you leave only one small defender, and go around the cap and conquer some more provinces. (And even if you attack this token force, your opponent now knows your current tactics, so change the way you place your troops (This is actually how I took out some of Caelums mages, few flanking forces, worked again and again. While he should have placed his troops in a far flank to prevent my troops from running around his main forces (I learned some placement tricks in a blitz long ago when my main force chased some stupid troops all over the battlefield, while a flanking force of mages blasted them to smithereens)).

Yeah, and the cap is now breached. Just piled a lot of giants at the door.