Boot Camp - Finished - Soyweiser/Jotunheim wins!

[Soyweiser]

Originally Posted by Valerius

As much as possible I've tried to go with "standard" settings. So out of tradition Ashdod is out, Jotun is in (though I agree with you that Jotun is very strong).

But EGD does make Jotun, or other giant nations, a bit weaker. The grendelkin kills any normal giant in one hit.

And Jotun has some problems in the endgame. (At least that is what I think, only good access to blood, no high death, nor high astral). Armageddon spam kinda ruins the nation. (as do utterdark and BoT of course).

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And thanks for the large intro post too , it is very helpful.

[Valerius]

Originally Posted by Soyweiser

But EGD does make Jotun, or other giant nations, a bit weaker. The grendelkin kills any normal giant in one hit.

The grendelkin is certainly a tank but keep in mind that giant nations can summon SCs like any other nation - they aren't limited to their recruitable ones. You can have your own grendelkin (summoned by indies, spectres or even your pretender). Then too, this is later in the game that those summons become available. And I'd still argue Jotun, in particular, is in a good position. Skratti can dish out tremendous damage, even more so if they can use a damage multiplying weapon like a herald lance (they can't against grendelkin, which is a big reason they are so tough). And then there's the always popular "attack one turn, cast Claws of Kokytos" script.

Originally Posted by Soyweiser

And Jotun has some problems in the endgame. (At least that is what I think, only good access to blood, no high death, nor high astral). Armageddon spam kinda ruins the nation. (as do utterdark and BoT of course).

Those are valid points but I'd say much of a nation's endgame strength is based on what they did earlier in the game and that eventually everyone's endgame starts looking similar.

But I do agree with you that having decent astral on your pretender is important. I've had good results with a sleeping enchantress. As an aside, expansion is a breeze with just couple of light blesses (F, E, N come to mind) on Jotun's sacreds.

Originally Posted by Soyweiser

And thanks for the large intro post too , it is very helpful.

That's good to hear. When I was writing it I was wondering if it was just because I liked to hear myself "talking."

[Valerius]

Ok, I switched you to Marignon.

Old age is a PITA. The only one of my favorite nations that has to deal with it is MA Aby and at least they have easy access to Boots of Youth (blood slaves are cheaper than gems). This works fine until someone decides to cast Burden of Time.

So, growth scale is good, if you go with an N4 bless you can forge a Shroud of the Battle Saint to help minimize with afflictions and, if you find enchantresses, you can forge Elixirs of Life.

BTW, the first year is when SP most matches MP since you're just grabbing indies. If you're meeting your goal there then it sounds like you've got a solid expansion strategy.

[minko]

Id like to join if there is still room. I have one game under my belt (i got demolished in the first 10 turns and then kept on having two provinces full of PD :P) and 2 games that im currently still in.

When will the game start? I'd like a day or 2 to decide on a nation since I haven't played MA that much...

[cwkjc]

Need another player ? I just played MP stackers which is still running (but without me...)

[Valerius]

Minko it looks like you posted right before cwkjc. I just setup the game on the llamaserver. How about we aim for a Thursday start? Would that give you enough time?

Cwkjc, unfortunately this map is setup for 8 preset start locations - otherwise I'd just increase us to 9 players. How about if I add you as the first person on a wait list? I'm also thinking about starting another newbies game soon and I could already put you on the list for that.

[minko]

Sure, Thursday is good for me (thinking about Ulm or Aby... i'll prolly decide/send the pretender wednesday). Sorry cwkjc

[Valerius]

Ok, sounds good.

A quick note to everyone that when you send your pretender to the llamaserver you'll want BootCamp in the subject line (no spaces between those two words).

[cwkjc]

Ok for another newbie game, i'll check the forum later, good game !!!

[Soyweiser]

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