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January 14th, 2017, 06:15 PM
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Re: Jets & Planes but no UAV's here.
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I don't agree with everything said in this article.
(In particular it does not address the potential conflicts of mainly RAF 'owned' aircraft operating from RN carriers).
F-35B the right choice and the only choice for the Royal Navy
http://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/f-35...he-royal-navy/
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Do we know why the USN contines to favor the Super Hornet over the F-35C?
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January 14th, 2017, 07:20 PM
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Re: Jets & Planes but no UAV's here.
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I don't agree with everything said in this article.
(In particular it does not address the potential conflicts of mainly RAF 'owned' aircraft operating from RN carriers).
F-35B the right choice and the only choice for the Royal Navy
http://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/f-35...he-royal-navy/
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Do we know why the USN contines to favor the Super Hornet over the F-35C?
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Simple.
The F-35C, like all F-35's is primarily a ground/naval attack aircraft. A replacement for the various "A" series aircraft in spite of being designated "F" itself.
The F/A-18 is a better air superiority aircraft, and the F-22 can't fly off carriers, thus it will provide fleet air defense and escort.
The USMC feels pure fighter aircraft aren't really needed by them so they're sticking to the F-35B and a few C's. As I understand it they plan to retain the E/A-18G Growlers as well as replacements for the E/A-6's.
I suspect in the long run the F-35 series aircraft will turn out to be better fighters then it's various critics think, much like the Harrier was seen as useless as a fighter until the Falklands.
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January 14th, 2017, 06:28 PM
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Re: Jets & Planes but no UAV's here.
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That's really the problem.
Land based air is perfectly fine for home or pre-existing foreign base defense but if you want to be able to project power into and across the worlds oceans you need carriers. Even the minimal assets the UK had available for the Falklands were sufficient and the liberation of the islands would have been impossible without them.
Who you're fighting and where determines how much, if any, fleet air you need.
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Exactly.
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Unlike an Argentine adversary, can a squadron of F-35Bs project power over a near-peer adversary?
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January 15th, 2017, 12:51 AM
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Re: Jets & Planes but no UAV's here.
In a major war I suspect you'll see a lot of what we did in WW II. Joint US/UK/Australian/French/Etc. fleets.
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January 15th, 2017, 11:16 PM
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Re: Jets & Planes but no UAV's here.
Like the joint fleets of France and Spain at Trafalgar? Or the Australian-British-Dutch-American joint fleet at the Battle of the Java Sea? Or the Federation-Klingon joint fleet against the....OK, forget that last one...
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January 16th, 2017, 12:41 AM
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Re: Jets & Planes but no UAV's here.
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Like the joint fleets of France and Spain at Trafalgar? Or the Australian-British-Dutch-American joint fleet at the Battle of the Java Sea? Or the Federation-Klingon joint fleet against the....OK, forget that last one...
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Lol.
I suspect, these days it would be more likely to be allied task forces working together, a bit like the British Pacific Fleet (Task Force 57) off Japan in 1945 working alongside the USN.
Also in response to someone asking about a single squadron of F-35B, the new Royal Navy carriers will have 24 F-35B (ie two squadron's) routinely embarked, and around 36 (ie, 3 squadrons) in a actual conflict situation. The ships are said to have a capacity of over 40 aircraft including helicopters, although I would be surprised, given their size if it was not closer to 50 if push came to shove.
UK took 20 Sea Harriers to the Falkland's, later reinforced by six more Sea Harriers and six RAF GR3 Harriers.
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January 18th, 2017, 11:43 AM
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Re: Jets & Planes but no UAV's here.
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Like the joint fleets of France and Spain at Trafalgar? Or the Australian-British-Dutch-American joint fleet at the Battle of the Java Sea? Or the Federation-Klingon joint fleet against the....OK, forget that last one...
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Lol.
I suspect, these days it would be more likely to be allied task forces working together, a bit like the British Pacific Fleet (Task Force 57) off Japan in 1945 working alongside the USN.
Also in response to someone asking about a single squadron of F-35B, the new Royal Navy carriers will have 24 F-35B (ie two squadron's) routinely embarked, and around 36 (ie, 3 squadrons) in a actual conflict situation. The ships are said to have a capacity of over 40 aircraft including helicopters, although I would be surprised, given their size if it was not closer to 50 if push came to shove.
UK took 20 Sea Harriers to the Falkland's, later reinforced by six more Sea Harriers and six RAF GR3 Harriers.
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I seem to recall the Sea Harriers and the GR3's had nine kills. Is that right?
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January 18th, 2017, 02:17 PM
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Re: Jets & Planes but no UAV's here.
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I seem to recall the Sea Harriers and the GR3's had nine kills. Is that right?
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I believe it was 20+ with no loss! (a couple were lost to ground fire)
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January 18th, 2017, 03:05 PM
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Re: Jets & Planes but no UAV's here.
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I seem to recall the Sea Harriers and the GR3's had nine kills. Is that right?
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I believe it was 20+ with no loss! (a couple were lost to ground fire)
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Wow. That's nice shooting. Almost like flushing quail out of the Texas bush, once the birds are airborne, bam.
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January 18th, 2017, 11:51 AM
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Re: Jets & Planes but no UAV's here.
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Like the joint fleets of France and Spain at Trafalgar? Or the Australian-British-Dutch-American joint fleet at the Battle of the Java Sea? Or the Federation-Klingon joint fleet against the....OK, forget that last one...
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No. Just like a Federation/Vulgan joint fleet against the Kligons.
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