IDF OOB project.

[DRG]

I found one reference that says....

.....one book that lists the m728 as having been used . The book is Chariots of The Desert by David Eshel.On page 196 He lists it as M728 combat engineer vehicle with dozer blade.Wether they were used is anyones guess. I would however venture that during the Yom Kippur when they received replacement m60's they might have been included

[iln82]

I have this book:
http://www.mheaust.com.au/MHE/Books/IDF1.htm
No mention of M728 there...
Probably added by the same person who came up with the Israeli M1A1 Abrams...

[Suhiir]

Generally minefields are defended by infantry/anti-tank weapons rather then armor so the 105mm is a better choice for a mine clearing tank then the 75/76mm.

[gingertanker]

Generally minefields are defended by infantry/anti-tank weapons rather then armor so the 105mm is a better choice for a mine clearing tank then the 75/76mm.

That is true but considering that all tanks in the IDF are driven by tank corps crews, and are part of tank battalions, I expect the uniformity in ammunition and maintenance was valued above any tactical advantage of a 105mm/165mm howitzer. As I recall in my battalion the breaching platoon had rollers and plows but no dozer blades. These were mounted on regular Merkava Mk 2b with 105mm guns.

Generally the IDF prefers rollers/plows to dozer blades on its tanks, but here is a pic of a merk 1 with a dozer blade:



Here Puma engineer combat vehicles as well as 2 Nakpadon Heavy APCs and 1 M113 are seen. You can see that one Puma has a Roller and one has a Dozer blade. In other words both were and are in service at the same time.

[DRG]

I'll look into it. The problem is that unitclass is set up to "carry" passengers on the outside like a tank but we restrict carry on tanks so if it was set up to carry like an APC we could set up APC type vehicles with CC and still restict tanks to zero. However, the US OOB already has the M1132 ESV as a MCV with 109 CC

Don

[gingertanker]

A noob question- the only thing that makes the troops protected when they ride an AFV is the 10X carry capacity rather than x?

Never mind just checked the help file and its not

[DRG]

hardcoded

[gingertanker]

Yeah I understand...So basically this will require changing the code Any chance of that happening or is it loads of work?

[Mobhack]

Originally Posted by gingertanker

Yeah I understand...So basically this will require changing the code Any chance of that happening or is it loads of work?

I've added the 2 engineer vehicle unit classes to the protected passengers types so they will behave as APC. Unless front armour is 0 - then its still unprotected on the off-chance we have an engineer type APC with soft skin (unlikely!).

(Haven't tested it as yet, but the code change was 5 minutes work. I'll just need to put an engineer APC with passengers on the firing range and hose it down with HMG fire to check it works.)

Looking at the OOBs, engineer tanks already have 0 carry, and only "Engineer APC" i.e. those engineer tank types with a carry capacity as well as a roller or blade equipment, do. We will still need to give the OOBS a thorough comb through.

Now those "Engineering APC" types will not have the pax behave as tank riders when under fire any more, so an engineer APC will be a good way to get some foot engineers forwards to aid the work.

Not added to WW2 as yet - but may be if there are engineer APC types found there. We will have to troll the data there to check, but it looks like engineering APC are a post-war thing.

Andy

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

All I've come across thus far was...
1. Non-Winch equipped M3 Halftracks carried a roller which laid down a material that allowed the M3 to cross some trenchs of limited width.

2. The SdKfz 251/5 was a designated version typed as an "Assualt Engineer Carrier" still trying to find particulars on this, but my guess is it's more heavily armored.

A couple of other types that came up in that search I don't know are in the game (WinSPWW2) are...

3. The SdKfz 251/20 Uhu (Owl). These vehicles were designed in support most notably of specialized units trained in night combat with supporting PANTHER tanks. They were equipped with IR search lights and "other specialized equipment".

4. And finally the BREN "WASP" flame-thrower carrier. If you own the Blu-Ray (Don't know about other formats.) of "A Bridge To Far" at the beginning of the movie (Using actual WWII footage of this and other...) they show 3 or 4 on the move attacking a position.

But I feel Andy is right about the "APC" engineer type vehicles, seems more a post war item. Items 1 & 2 are the closest I can find so far.

I'll amend the above for the German side the SdKfz 251/5 and 251/7 WILL fit the bill this ref. shows a rendering of the latter but the descriptions of each would to my mind "seal the deal" below. Further down based on my search is info on the UHU/OWL note from it's rendering the night binos that seem to have some kind of tech associated with them mounted on the forward MG. They don't look like typical Naval night search "binos" of the era. Interesting.
http://axistanksworldwarii.devhub.co...enpanzerwagen/
http://fallschirmjager.tumblr.com/po...u-sdkfz-251-20

Regards,
Pat