Vehicles & Trees

[PPoS]

I'm posting this here even though it also applies to winSPMBT. Something hit me the other day; I cannot recall even one instance of a vehicle bogging down while moving through woods (i.e. "trees" terrain). I'm not sure what type of woods/forest the terrain is supposed to represent, but any forested terrain should be pretty rough even for tracked vehicles.

So I'm guessing that there is no risk of bogging down in "trees" terrain, or have I just been lucky (or perhaps I'm forgetting) ?

I understand how woods having this effect would have a heavy impact on the AI though (seeing how they sometimes crash their vehicles into building to reach an objective), so it might be for the better anyway. But it was just something that crossed my mind.

[Mobhack]

No risk of bogging in woodland.

However we added a severe movement penalty this release or last, so progress through them is much worse than before.

And the AI would crash into trees - heck even I manage to crash into buildings just like it does !.

Andy

[RightDeve]

I don't know if there's even the slightest chance of vehicles bogging down on normal treed hexes, but they sure have movement points reduced when traversing this type of terrain (even more so on the current patch IIRC).

But if you want to take the realism to the next level, apply rough terrain layer below forested hexes. Infantry will have a hard time slogging this harsh entanglements, and vehicles will be even more likely to bog down (esp. on sloped rough terrain). This is perfect for simulating New Guinean jungles for example.

If you want no vehicles crisscrossing the wood, then use impassable hex.

[PPoS]

Originally Posted by Mobhack

No risk of bogging in woodland.

However we added a severe movement penalty this release or last, so progress through them is much worse than before.

Ah, haven't actually played enough since the last couple of patches to notice it. That is indeed a good addition to the game.

Originally Posted by Mobhack

And the AI would crash into trees - heck even I manage to crash into buildings just like it does !.

Yeah, it has *perhaps* happended a few times to me as well

[PPoS]

Originally Posted by RightDeve

I don't know if there's even the slightest chance of vehicles bogging down on normal treed hexes, but they sure have movement points reduced when traversing this type of terrain (even more so on the current patch IIRC).

But if you want to take the realism to the next level, apply rough terrain layer below forested hexes. Infantry will have a hard time slogging this harsh entanglements, and vehicles will be even more likely to bog down (esp. on sloped rough terrain). This is perfect for simulating New Guinean jungles for example.

If you want no vehicles crisscrossing the wood, then use impassable hex.

I could do that, but I'm satisfied with the information provided by Andy above. I just haven't noticed the changes yet.

[Firestorm]

I never saw the "woods" represented in the game as true virgin forest but more tame stuff with plenty of clearings, old logging trails and firebreaks that you could follow if you took your time.

Can't you put marsh hexes below trees too? Might be another good representation of really, really thick stuff.

[RightDeve]

If what you meant is only for slowing down movement, yes. But swamp does no good for cover and concealment.
Besides, swamp hexes are actually water hexes, so their employment doesn't really represent dry lands. This simple fact changes some of the fundamental gameplays, for example if amphibious vehicles or boats are used.

[DRG]

I'll start off by stating the obvious. 3 minutes with the map editor and your question is answered.

YES you can put swamp under trees..........and/or rough terrain.........and/or impassible terrain......and/or mud.

The only one you can't is water

Don

[Griefbringer]

I am quite sure that I have managed to get my vehicle stuck in a swampy tree hex at least once. Should remember to check more closely what those hexes contain before driving in...

[Firestorm]

Originally Posted by DRG

I'll start off by stating the obvious. 3 minutes with the map editor and your question is answered.

YES you can put swamp under trees..........and/or rough terrain.........and/or impassible terrain......and/or mud.

The only one you can't is water

Don

You can't put hedgerows under trees.


(That was a rhetorical question, Don. I did check)

...I guess you could build a whole forest of hedgerows and use it to represent almost-impassible woodlands. I've never done that before, though I have used them to represent kudzu.