Updates in light of Ukraine war

[DRG]

Originally Posted by Wdll

Any idea what this recoilless rifle is?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKLnX-TcBn8

We need to investigate just who uses what armbands like the info on the Russian vehicle markings

Those troops had white bands. Normally Ukraine uses yellow

The text for that video mentions" Russia-backed forces in Mariupol" but earlier footage shows troops in yellow armbands. The ones with the RR are wearing white

One quote found

Ukrainian forces are using yellow and blue.

Russian forces are using a bizarre collection of white/red/silver/and the ribbon of Saint George.

Soldiers wearing white armbands seen patrolling Ukraine's Kherson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YJo2vlGAOQ

That video has this comment.........."hite armband were to indentified this russian brigade as the 17th motorized rifle brigade that were deployed in donbas as early as 2014."

Still digging but it looks like the RR team is not Ukrainian

FURTHER

https://fresno24.com/what-do-the-col...is-the-answer/

The purpose of this marking is to be able to distinguish between the warring parties: the Russians mostly use white or red, and the Ukrainians use yellow armbands for this purpose. In addition to the armbands, the Russian soldiers can also see the pattern of the “St. George Ribbon”, which is one of the national symbols of Russia.

In the “normal” case, such markings would not be necessary, as one of the purposes of the uniform would be precisely to make it easy to distinguish the fighting sides. However, there is a significant overlap between the equipment of the Russian and Ukrainian forces: the vast majority of both sides use Soviet remnant technology or modernized versions of it, so the silhouette of their vehicles and soldiers is very similar.

But there are also covert patterns that are specifically used by both sides: for example, the Russian and Ukrainian special operations units have standardized the multicam pattern, making it almost impossible to distinguish between these formations, and even their helmets are almost the same. . The Russians would also use a surprisingly large number of samples based on the A-TACS, which could be remotely confused with the Ukrainian MM-14 sample because of its shades.

It is also hampered by the fact that, since the beginning of the conflict, both sides have apparently been looser in applying uniform rules on the wearing of uniforms and a large number of irregular militias without uniforms are fighting on the Ukrainian side. only their identification is the yellow armband.

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

White Arm Bands - Russian troops as identified early on.

This might explain the other Russian colors.
https://www.forces.net/russia/ribbon...embrance-poppy

Blue or Yellow worn separately or together Ukrainian troops.

Both - Are wearing their country flag patches on their sleeves.

Seen some pointing out in videos and photos where Russian troops are wearing black boots and Ukrainian wearing brown- or dessert-colored ones.

Also found this interesting...
https://www.migjimenez.com/img/cms/P...Colors_ENG.pdf

Also, a bunch of stories about this on the web...I little "psyops"...
https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...ssian-soldiers

Regards,
Pat

[DRG]

Originally Posted by DRG

Ukrainian forces are using yellow and blue.

Just a follow up on this it may not be true in all cases but it appears from recent photos I have seen that the Ukrainian Regulars tend towards blue and the Territorial units tend towards yellow but it is not always 100% clear who's reg and who's militia though the regs seem better outfitted and I have seen blue and yellow together on the same armband

[MarkSheppard]

Seen the Stugna-P ATGM kill of a stationary hovering KA-52 yet?

Note how they put the cursor near the Ka-52, but keep it off the helo until about 3 seconds before impact, to avoid setting off laser warning sensors on the helicopter?

[DRG]

Originally Posted by MarkSheppard

Seen the Stugna-P ATGM kill of a stationary hovering KA-52 yet?

Note how they put the cursor near the Ka-52, but keep it off the helo until about 3 seconds before impact, to avoid setting off laser warning sensors on the helicopter?

Post #110 above

Yes. I wondered about that when I saw the video. That system has a manual and a fire-and-forget mode. Fire-and-forget provides automatic control of the missile flight using a targeting laser beam that does not require manual tracking of the target.

I may be wrong but in that case, it looked like they may have been using manual mode

[DRG]

A lot of new things in the Ukrainian OOB for next release.

Recent additions were 40mm Mk 19's. A photo exists of boxes with 40-mm Mk 19 ammo unloaded from an American aircraft at Boryspil Airport on October 10, 2021 and the Supply Classification code for "Machine Gun, 40mm, MK19 Mod III" was seen being unloaded Jan 28. 2022

https://mil.in.ua/uk/news/ssha-pered...atomety-mk-19/

It was recently announced that Australia is sending Bushmaster PMV's that may possibly be in Ukraine in May -June 2022

[Wdll]

Good footage from what looks like a Mi-28N getting cut in half from something. According to the video it's a Starstreak missile, though obviously I don't know about that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXnjQmoV2D8

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

As I had already posted, the timing should be right for the Ukraine to start operating them. UK had already shipped them out.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ce-2022-03-16/
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...o_ukraine.html
(This is the one I posted. earlier.)
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/brit...er-in-ukraine/

Regards,
Pat

[Wdll]

And this is why distance is important.
I don't think I have seen any more clear footage of an attack on a tank, but at the same time a silly mistake.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3T8FfOvBBI

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I had already earlier yesterday morning confirmed the use of the STARSTREAK anti-air missile attack on a Russian Mil Mi-28 Havoc (This is my opinion based on the video.) attack helicopter. The following should bring closure to this issue.

What is different, for whatever reason, is the response from Russia concerning the STARSTREAK. Obviously, it would seem they are much more concerned about STARSTREAK then our STINGER 2 anti-air missile.

The UK STARSTREAK did get updated within the last 3-4 years if memory serves.

Might have to run a comparison between the two systems. I further would point out not to underestimate what or what not they're getting. For instance, the JAVALIN and STINGER 2 missile systems came out of our European pre-deployed storage facilities meant for our troops. How else did they get them so fast at the start of the war?

Unlike the UK, they didn't threaten us over our STINGER 2.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...e14c131909c239

I have other tasking at the moment.

Don if you see this, know I'm looking onto the Czech T-72 tanks. Along with NATO we've signaled that we'll assist in getting them into the Ukraine.

Also looks like the Ukraine is also from some pictures I've seen, are operating captured Russian T-72B3 tanks. This still needs further investigation on my part. I'm NOT ready to "jump off the bridge" for this yet.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...out&li=BBnbfcL

Regards,
Pat