MBT's

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Eh, I thought the Turkey-Korea future MBT was recently cancelled...

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That "FMBT" sure looks like the old "Black Eagle"

Don

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I agree ALTAY was in jeopardy at one time. When relations were on a much better footing with Israel before the start of the
M60T program and others, Israel even then saw a partner in an unfriendly neighborhood that politically would as act as an influence in the relations between Israel with Syria and to some extent Iran. This cooperation had made Turkey the leading country to receive the MERKAVA 4 with that tank why move on with the ALTAY? It would've been the cheaper alternative vs. taking a tank off the drawing board. There were of course other political factors in play as well (As Turkey announced they were going forward with ALTAY early last Spring.) and the MERKAVA deal was DOA before the events of this past summer which made the international news when 8 Turks were killed by IDF forces which further eroded relations between the two nations. All this has been already reported on in this thread. So the bottom line Columbia is now the leading candidate for the export version of the MERKAVA 4 and Turkey is moving ahead with the ALTAY. And Israel and Turkey are trying to "mead fences" at this time.

I thought the FMBT looked somewhat familiar, but I think two factors are in play as a generalization in design:
1. What do we base the new design on and make it ours?
2. How often will the design change due to political and military realities before we even see the final prototype design?

Back slooowwwlly to the final list.

Regards,
Pat

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I did some further check, I was wrong. The ALTAY is still alive as a program.

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As a Mod (M4) I addressed in the first "patch post page", the trophy system is one step closer to be fitted on all MERKAVA 4 tanks, though it is already installed on many as this article and others I've posted have indicated. What I found interesting and don't recall having seen before mentioned, is that the culprit that caused the IDF tank losses in 2006 is also mentioned in this article and it wasn't by RPGs as suspected by some. Sorry you'll just have to read it though it's about 3/4 of the way down.
http://www.defpro.com/daily/details/...38694681e25619

Canada to get 40mm GL's and get all the Dutch LEO 4 tanks just purchased (100) by Rheinmetall to the LEO 2A4M CAN standard. An issue I've had to re-address again.
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/20708/

Have presents to wrap have a good night...well morning!

Regards,
Pat

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Eh, I thought it was well known that the losses were due to the Kornet atgm which magically appeared outside of Syria.

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IDF announces successful training deployment of the TROPHY system.
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/20742/

Regards,
Pat

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Well I've been talking about TROPHY for awhile and now the IDF is fielding it along the border after HAMAS successfully fired a KORNET (AT-14) at a MERKAVA 4 on the border earlier this month.
This was on my first "patch post" as a mod to the MERKAVA 4. I'll be posting my "economy subscription" version of the article from my ref.
http://www.janes.com/news/defence/la...1229_1_n.shtml
I hope everyone has a Happy New Year!!!!

Regards,
Pat

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Just a little tank news:

1. ARJUN MKII ready for trials in June.
http://www.army-technology.com/news/news107583.html

2. LEO 2 A4M CAN deployed note gun definitely looks like the
120mm L44.
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/21760/

Regards,
Pat

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This is the raw data only as submitted from the last patch post I submitted. It's been my policy to repost these into their "home" threads for comment or not.

MBT's AGAIN!?!Don might have to rethink the MBT Item A6: CANADA/NOV 2010/LEOPARD 2A4M/RESET/Came across this article on 6 DEC 2010. The Leopard 2A6M tanks Canada leased from Germany are being returned (Now) after all. This might change the complexion of the Q&A discussions we had concerning this issue. This was on the first patch page submitted.
http://www.army-technology.com/news/news102921.html The last line says it all where things are headed, but that's for next year I would think.
UPDATE ALERT 12/07/10! I went back to the Canadian source I put in Post #21 of this thread. But I also want to draw your attention to Post #22. Here are the two points gleamed from this source.
1. Keep the LEOPARD 2A6M: 40 of the 100 Dutch tanks will be RESET to this standard therefore the return to Germany of the 2A6M tanks is a wash. 20-40 will be upgraded to 2A4M standard above what they got from the Germans. The rest will fall into utility conversions.
2. Might have to reconsider adding the 2A4M as it does have the 120mm SB L44 vice the L55 gun as I thought in Post#22. So we're left with a LEO 2A4M with the protection level of a LEO 2A6M with an improved 120mm L44 main gun.
http://casr.ca/doc-news-kmw-leopard-2a4m.htm
Para 1 will also link you to the Dutch tank deal within the site if desired.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...-canada-03208/

C10. Change: UKRAINE/OPLOT/UNITS 061-063/Add 9K119M REFLEX
(NATO Des. AT-11 SNIPER-B) 6 Missiles. Noticed from refs that ATGW load has no affect on conventional ammo loads from refs. Must be due to size that addition of these doesn’t take up that much room as compared to conventional rounds. Am under the impression from further looking into other countries platforms this is just about a "universal truth" across the board.
http://www.morozov.com.ua/eng/body/t84armament.php
http://www.pmulcahy.com/tanks/ukrainian_tanks.html
See bottom of the page. And yes I saw the number if it is 100% correct, however six works as that's what's in the game now for the T-84 tanks as well. Changing the number to 5 missiles would not only affect the Ukrainian tanks but would spill over to Russian ones (T-80 and T-90 series.) as well and any one who uses them outside the Ukraine and Russia that has the ATGW. I say Das Vydonia to a couple of rolls of toilet paper and keep the six packs instead!

Regards,
Pat