Real World Philospohy

[DavidG]

Originally posted by Jack Simth:

2) An as-yet unrecognized force to overpower the super-gravity at such an event, such as "dark energy"
- "dark energy" is a cop-out; it's an unobserved something (reason for the "dark" in the name) thrown in as a correction factor to fix the problem; it's only thought to exist because the universe hasn't collapsed in on itself over the timeframe the universe is thought to have been around. This energy is unobserved; it is required to make certain models work, so it is assumed. Few suggest that there may be a more fundamental flaw in the model. Such a force is also an act of faith.

Isn't that the way physics works? The theoretician makes some theory which has some unobservable element. Then the applied physicists design experiments to attempt to observe those elements thus proving the theory.

Few suggest that there may be a more fundamental flaw in the model.

Thus implying there may be no better theory. if like religion a large majority had different theories then you would have to question it much more.

[ November 09, 2003, 13:15: Message edited by: DavidG ]

[Atrocities]

Real World Philospohy & Relgion

I thought this was an interesting read.

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God hurts, God scars, God wounds and mars
Any heart not tough nor strong enough
To take a lot of pain, take a lot of pain
God is like a cloud holds a lot of rain
God hurts, ooh, ooh, God hurts

I’m young I know but even so
I know a thing or two I learnt from you
I really learnt a lot, really learnt a lot
God is like a stove burns you when it’s hot
God hurts, mmm, mmm, God hurts

Some fools dream of happiness
Blissfulness, togetherness
Some fools fool themselves I guess
But they’re not fooling me

I know it isn’t true, know it isn’t true
God is just a lie made to make you blue
God hurts, ooh, ooh, God hurts
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[primitive]

Stop messing with the classics, Atrocities

It's: Love hurts

[General Woundwort]

Originally posted by DavidG:
You seem to be implying that there is 'good observations and proofs' for whatever particular religion you believe. So why have so many people got it wrong?

Well, Freud got something right in that religion can be used for substantiating our desires (his mistake was reducing religion to only that). I tend to be a pretty rational and logical person (sometimes to a fault), but on many issues I'm sure we've all noticed that people aren't totally rational. One of my favorite quotes from Nietzche goes something like "If you were to prove God to me, I would believe in Him all the less." Hardly sounds like a detached observer to me. In conservative Christian circles today there is an arugment over whether God knows the future. A main proponent of the position that God does not, bases his drive for that position on his not wanting to blame God for his brother's death in a motorcycle accident. Again, hardly a detached starting point. Any number of reasons could be given for why people hold to wrong beliefs, but they do - and religion hardly has the corner on this market...

[spoon]

Originally posted by Jack Simth:

Of course, now someone is likely to make a faith statment about science, which is likely to go something like "give them time, they will answer all objections" or some such.

That's because science has a great track record at solving problems. You call it a "faith statement", I call it betting with the odds on favorite.

Of course, the statement should have a conditional in there, like, "...they will LIKELY answer all objections, or provide a new model that does."

[Atrocities]

Originally posted by primitive:
Stop messing with the classics, Atrocities

It's: Love hurts

I did not mess with it, I found it. ALong with a lot of other modified love songs that replaces one or two key words with the word GOD. I think I have stumbled along the key to how all of those religious bands make their music now.

[DavidG]

Originally posted by General Woundwort:
FYI - don't try to login to this board while it's displayed in a frame - it won't work.

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Originally posted by DavidG:
Mathematics and history? Not really a good comparison. If mom and Dad taught you < insert historical or mathematical fact here > and then you found out a hundred other cultures disagreed with the alledged fact would you not begin to suspect mom and dad were wrong?

Depends on the circumstances. If say, 100 years or so, many other cultures thought the world was flat, would that make my belief it was round invalid? No, because good observations and proofs exist for its being round - and I would feel obligated to share that information. Again, it's *evidence*, not nose-counting, that is the determining factor.

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You seem to be implying that there is 'good observations and proofs' for whatever particular religion you believe. So why have so many people got it wrong?

[Fyron]

They had that on South Park 2 weeks ago... Cartman formed a christian rock band and just copied a bunch of love songs, inserting God or Jesus.

[Atrocities]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
They had that on South Park 2 weeks ago... Cartman formed a christian rock band and just copied a bunch of love songs, inserting God or Jesus.

Really? Perhaps this site had something to do with that. I will see if I can find it again and provide a link.

[Fyron]

Well South Park is a show of political satire.