APC Development and related topics.

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Might as well cover and finish this. Here's what I have on the MT-LB. The refs I have pretty much show the Russians operated with the following versions noted below. What I strongly suspect is one of the following to be true...
1) Projects unfulfilled have crept into the OOB-again. OR...

2) We have if you will some OOB to OOB "cross contamination". The Czechs and Bulgarians were prolific with their MT-LB modifications for instance.

So again for the Russians I come up pretty much with the following combat types...
1. MT-LB - BASE MODEL.
2. MT-LBU - LONGER BODY WITH BIGGER ENGINE.
3. MT-LBV - WIDER TRACKS FOR WINTER AND SOFT TERRIAN OPS I.E. SWAMPS ETC.
4. 2S1 GOOSDIKA - 122mm SPA
5. AZM - CEV
6. UR-TI - MCV

That's about it. Wasn't "shouting above, if you ever saw me typing you'd understand. Refs are below all good some used as quick checks only and one is a good Soviet/Russian one I've used in the past and might be of some use for any lingering BMP issues etc. So for perspective as I've been asked by some in the past the refs will descend from first look medium+ confidence to higher confidence+ and finally lower confidence/quick check sources since I have the time here to do that.
http://www.military-today.com/apc/mtlb.htm
http://www.military-today.com/artill...1_gvosdika.htm
http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/cv/inf/MT-LB.html
REFS AT BOTTOM.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...n0534/lsn2.htm
NEAR BOTTOM.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...ssia/mt-lb.htm
http://www.armscontrol.ru/atmtc/Arms...cles.htm#mt-lb
SCROLL TO TOP FOR OTHERS.
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/mt-lb.htm

With the arms control site be sure to carefully read it. The description will start and a few words in they'll note what country it's from if not Russian.

NOTE: Many "top tier" refs will tend not to offer info on older types of equipment for many reasons I can list but won't. When you find them keep or better yet post them as the topic requires.

Regards,
Pat

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

To "clear the deck" of the BMP refs I had. NOTE the first ref on the BMP-T fielded in 2005. This French site has been very good to me over the long haul.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/russia_russian_army_light_armoured_vehicle_uk/bmpt_bmp-t_tank_support_infantry_fighting_combat_armoured_v ehicle_technical_data_sheet_information_u.html[/url]
http://www.janes.com/article/23350/r...bmp-3-variants
http://www.armyrecognition.com/russi...res_video.html
http://kurganmash.ru/en/machines/bmp2u/
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product1698.html

I think I'll enjoy the rest of my day off, have a good night.

Regards,
Pat

[DRG]

Thanks Pat. Got your other PM's and email BTW. Thanks for helping to look into this. I will cull the project MT-LB's

Don

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Alright first call me superstitious but Don you have a new "Thanked" number I didn't like the 665+1 thing !

And before someone says something...one more Top Tier one for the BMP-T.
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/bmpt-vehicle/

And finally from the same ref on the BMP-3 and more updated source. In the Russian OOB the two issues are do you want to add and I only recommend ONE OF EACH if so, the improved BMP-3M with the SAGEM FCS/TI and BMP-3F (3F). Both are addressed in the below ref. Basically the SAGEM (French system.) makes this a very recent upgrade within the last 2-4 years. Also the 3F entered service in 2011 and has ethier been bought by Malay or Indo ~ a year ago as well. Would think since they are new builds (3F) they to would have the SAGEM system as well plus it was designed as a faster longer endurance (At least 7 hrs.) amphib.
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/bmp-3/

I'M DONE! PROMISE...MAYBE!?!

Back to work tomorrow so good night.

Regards,
Pat

[DRG]

The first time I tried that last link I got a 404 error. Every time after that the screen stayed blank

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Don,
Tried the same no luck. Went to the main site via favorites different page (Redirecting me to other options.) came up with same result-no info. Randomly chacked other "projects" and they came up. Normally this means they might be updating info for in this case the BMP-3. This is normal and that's how I normally "idiot check" the site to be sure. Give it a day or two.

Regards,
Pat

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

From the post, just checked the BMP-3 link twice 20m apart. Seems to be back up.
Bonus ref.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/russi...ations_uk.html

Regards,
Pat

[DRG]

OK, thanks. We don't have the BMMP. I'll look into that ( typically, more complications other sites call that the BMP-3F )

Ah, figured it out..... the BMMP has the BMP-2 turret and the 3F uses the standard BMP-3 turret but it's not clear if this actually made it to troops. The phrasing " has been developed" seems to suggest not as yet

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Don,
BMP-3F...
http://www.armyrecognition.com/russi...fications.html
Note: Country Users and Crew and Carry numbers at bottom.
http://www.military-today.com/apc/bmp_3.htm
Note: Varients Section.
http://www.allmilitaryweapons.com/2010/08/bmp-3.html
Note: Varients Section.


Pic:


They (Refs) also clear my memory from an earlier post, it was Indonesia and not Maylasia that got the BMP-3F.
Will try get dates before edit time expires here if not by tomorrow. Have to work.

Regards,
Pat

Indonesia...Would use 1/11. delivered end of 11/10.
http://www.jakartaupdates.com/685-17...bmp-3-variants
This JANES's Ref contradicts the other sources on Russian use. But verifies the type is new and Indonesia apparently is the only user. They did recieve the further units noted here as well. If it's JANE's I'd almost would tend to hold off on Russian use though it's 1 against 4 or 5.

[DRG]

It's Indonesia and I will be changing the Icon , the photo ( I'll use the one you provided ) and the armour stats for that

I will hold off putting the 3F in the Russian OOB