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Thermodyne · #91 July 28th, 2003, 12:37 AM

Nope, but it will limit the support that other nations are willing to give to them. It will take much more than deterrence to protect America, but I don�t think we are ready to accept that much protection.

primitive · #92 July 28th, 2003, 01:09 AM

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Originally posted by Thermodyne:
Nope, but it will limit the support that other nations are willing to give to them.

No it will not. If such was ever to become official US policy the cold war would be back in an instant. Only this time the US would find itself alone and isolated.

Thermodyne · #93 July 28th, 2003, 01:47 AM

And your solution would be?

primitive · #94 July 28th, 2003, 03:19 AM

People do not become terrorists for fun. Most people would need a serious grievance against someone before they take the step. As for soulutions: Ask the British, they have some success getting rid of the terrorism in/from Northern Ireland. They did not get it by lining up a random selection of people and shoot them each time somebody blows a bomb. The Germans tried that tactic in occupied Europe during WW2. It didn't work then, it don't work now. Very few people will have trouble accepting "police" type actions agains terrorists, but random return violence is the sure path to more violence.

TerranC · #95 July 28th, 2003, 03:39 AM

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Originally posted by primitive:
As for soulutions: Ask the British, they have some success getting rid of the terrorism in/from Northern Ireland. They did not get it by lining up a random selection of people and shoot them each time somebody blows a bomb.

Yes they did. Heck, they burned whole villages by the dozen in Kenya. They stormed into other people's houses without their consent in America. And I'm sure the British were so benign in India.

If you ask me, the British, along with all the other Colonial powers, created this mess we're in. I hardly believe that asking them for advise is the best way to go at this.

Thermodyne · #96 July 28th, 2003, 03:45 AM

They become terrorists because they have a need to free themselves from occupation, from tyranny, or because they are taught that it is the honorable thing to do. And then there are some that are just plain anarchists. In the situation we have now, the terrorism is state sponsored. This requires that we bring force to bear on the states involved.

As this war, and it is a war, go on America will sacrifice some of its freedoms and become a more difficult place to attack. Then more and more often the attacks will occur on foreign soil. When your oil supply becomes a target, will your country sit back and not respond?

Also, the main ***** of the 9-11 crew was that Americans were defiling holy ground and polluting the Islamic culture. As long as they have this view, there will be no way to dissuade them. Islamic culture is anti human rights. The world is not going to toss out 100 years of technology and advances in the human condition and adopt a feudal way of life to appease these bastards. And America will not let the Islamic world push Israel into the sea, so that problem will also be with us for the next generation or so.

So again I ask, what would you suggest as a more fitting solution.

primitive · #97 July 28th, 2003, 03:49 AM

TerranC:
I couldn't agree more, many of todays problems are leftovers from the days of colonalism and blatant imperialism. But it seems like the British actualy have learned something these Last few years.

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primitive · #98 July 28th, 2003, 04:24 AM

Thermo:
First:
Where do you get the information from that all/most terrorism are state sponsored. Proof / links would be in order.

Second:
We are already on the Al Queada list of priority targets. Probably due to our guys beeing in the first line at the Bora-Bora caves. One thing is for sure though, if the bombs start to go off here, we will not stoop to random bombing of innocent people.

Third:
Your right, the Israel/Palestina problem have to be fixed somehow. It would not require pushing Isreal into the Mediteranian, but it would take large concessions from Israel (giving up the settlements on the West Bank, restore water rights and so on), and it would cost a lot of money. And terrorism would not stop instantly. Many of those who had already taken the step would continue on their path, regardless of what happens. But recruitement would be harder.

Solution:
Start fix the problems, stop creating more. Fight against the terrorists, not their mothers and childrens. Work on your defences. Tough it out.

tesco samoa · #99 July 28th, 2003, 04:25 AM

build a big dome over the usa and seal it shut for a few hundred years.

thermo i think it is you who hates and/or misunderstands islamic culture not islamic culture who hates you.

Terrorism is rare. Not an everyday occuance. It is the fear of terrorism that is an everyday occurance for some. I speak this from being from Nothern Ireland.

Thermodyne · #**100** July 28th, 2003, 04:58 AM

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Originally posted by tesco samoa:
build a big dome over the usa and seal it shut for a few hundred years.

thermo i think it is you who hates and/or misunderstands islamic culture not islamic culture who hates you.

Terrorism is rare. Not an everyday occuance. It is the fear of terrorism that is an everyday occurance for some. I speak this from being from Nothern Ireland.

It�s not Islam that I hate, its religious intolerance that I hate. It is lack of separation between religion and state that I hate. Religion has become a dictatorial influence in parts of the world. Iran is run by Islamic fundamentalists. The Saudis rule so long as they appease the clerics. As does the king of Syria. I do not see the clerics in the west sending kids out as bombs. I do not see the western religions taking control of western countries. Is any western church off limits to people of the wrong religion? I think not. I realize the men have perverted Islam from what it once was, but this is no excuse or reason to give them freedom to spread there cancer.

As to terror not being a daily occurrence, it is only the hard work of the democratic world that prevents this. If the Islamic nations of the world decided to prosecute terrorism and those who preach it, the Islamic terrorism would subside. If we in the west continue to absorb the blows, it will get worse. War is diplomacy by other means. Terrorism is war against the innocent.

Now I pose a question. What reason did the 9-11 crew have for their attacks? What was America doing that was causing them so much harm that they needed to go to war?

IMHO, their goals were not as is stated in the media.