The Council of Wyrms - Page 106

shovah · #**1051** May 7th, 2006, 06:30 PM

NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

on an unrelated note Apep over in Mictlan is getting annoying with his assasinating heleophagi and stealthy demon lord (if i leave the heleophagi, i lose commanders. if i patrol for him i catch the lord and lose a province for a turn)

puffyn · #**1052** May 7th, 2006, 07:09 PM

The assasinations will continue until morale improves.

Lest anyWyrm believe the matter to be one-sided, we have been afflicted by:

2 Bane Spider Assassins caught in our lands (though I believe one was before shovah took control)
1 Black Servant with a stone idol caught in our very capitol
2 instances of disease spreaders coming into our lands from Machaka's border -- don't believe his lying protestations of innocence.

All's fair in sneaky war

shovah · #**1053** May 7th, 2006, 07:29 PM

bane spider and black servant where there long before i took control, i saw no purpose in moving them anywhere else.
And im still insistant that i am not spreading disease (unless one of machakas stealthy units spreads disease automatically) because 1: at this late point in the game money is near irrelivant, 2: i wouldnt know where your blood hunting areas are to target them (how i wish i did

) and 3: i have far better uses for my gems than that.

Ygorl · #**1054** May 7th, 2006, 09:48 PM

The new turn is out. A couple people got double emails... Sorry about that, I know what happened, and I'm fixing it. Cheers!

puffyn · #**1055** May 8th, 2006, 01:15 AM

I repost here the following which has been posted in full (with more Wiki links to the relevant documentation at the Proclamations Page)

Fellow Wyrms:

On Turn 74, a sneaking Mictlan army was discovered in Miscya (66) by patrolling Machakan troops and province defense. In the ensuing battle, justice and light prevailed, and the province came under the control of Mictlan. This turn (75), Machaka attacked this province, without obtaining a council resolution supporting his action or coming to a separate private agreement with me. This is a blatant violation of Rule 2 of the Council Charter, which automatically invokes Rule 8. Therefore, subject to judicial oversight to verify the truth of my story (should the great dragon dispute it), Machaka should be considered a rogue nation until and unless he is reinstated by the council.

The issue of discovered sneaking armies has been debated before the council in Proposition4 in which a proposal to require sneakily acquired provinces to be returned was defeated. Additional discussion was held on the board, mostly on these two pages (1) and (2)

The rules as plainly stated in the charter and interpreted in the afore-referenced discussions clearly require council permission before the retaking of a province. A few turns ago, another stealthy army of mine was discovered in a province with a fort, and again took control. In order to avoid entanglements, I agreed to return this province to Machaka, but this referred only to that one particular instance (note that by Rule 13 of the charter, this province was technically in contention and so either side could have legally brought additional force to bear).

We solicit Wyrmly comments on this important issue. (Pulls up a chair and grabs a virgin margarita to drink while watching the discussion).

Wish · #**1056** May 8th, 2006, 05:00 AM

wow, thats quite an interesting conundrum, It seems unfair to allow the overturn of provinces just because stealth was used, infact I was under the impression that stealth actions where only allowed as long as they did not result in the loss of province...

I will have to think on this matter some more

shovah · #**1057** May 8th, 2006, 12:35 PM

Quote:

puffyn said:
I repost here the following which has been posted in full (with more Wiki links to the relevant documentation at the <a href="http://yarnspinners.improbable.org/Wyrms/index.php?title=Proclamations">Proclamations Page</a>)

Fellow Wyrms:

On Turn 74, a sneaking Mictlan army was discovered in Miscya (66) by patrolling Machakan troops and province defense. In the ensuing battle, justice and light prevailed, and the province came under the control of Mictlan. This turn (75), Machaka attacked this province, without obtaining a council resolution supporting his action or coming to a separate private agreement with me. This is a blatant violation of Rule 2 of the Council Charter, which automatically invokes Rule 8. Therefore, subject to judicial oversight to verify the truth of my story (should the great dragon dispute it), Machaka should be considered a rogue nation until and unless he is reinstated by the council.

The issue of discovered sneaking armies has been debated before the council in Proposition4 in which a proposal to require sneakily acquired provinces to be returned was defeated. Additional discussion was held on the board, mostly on these two pages <a href="http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=383484&page=0&view=collap sed&sb=5&o=31&fpart=23&vc=1">(1)</a> and <a href="http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=383484&page=0&view=collap sed&sb=5&o=31&fpart=24&vc=1">(2)</a>

The rules as plainly stated in the charter and interpreted in the afore-referenced discussions clearly require council permission before the retaking of a province. A few turns ago, another stealthy army of mine was discovered in a province with a fort, and again took control. In order to avoid entanglements, I agreed to return this province to Machaka, but this referred only to that one particular instance (note that by Rule 13 of the charter, this province was technically in contention and so either side could have legally brought additional force to bear).

We solicit Wyrmly comments on this important issue. (Pulls up a chair and grabs a virgin margarita to drink while watching the discussion).

I apologise. From my (apparently wrong) memory of the rules i thought it was within my rights to do so

ps i havnt seen the turn yet, only getting it now

Ygorl · #**1058** May 8th, 2006, 01:39 PM

I recommend that any further discussion of this matter be moved to the Wiki (which I think is the proper place for in-character public discussion - this forum I think should be for out-of-character discussion of the game, announcements, administration, etc...)

Feel free to ignore me though.

shovah · #**1059** May 8th, 2006, 03:00 PM

i tend to

your gems (and a few extra for the wait) are on their way just to let you know (currently resting in your email probably)

also, (just to make sure before looking stupider than usual) i can post a proposition but not vote cant I??

Ygorl · #**1060** May 9th, 2006, 03:08 PM

The way I read the Charter, only Wyrms can post propositions. I think you'll have to find a sponsor.

Also, I'll be hosting in about six hours. Still missing turns from C'tis, Mictlan, and T'ien Ch'i. I wouldn't be tremendously surprised if Puffyn were waiting to see what shovah does before issuing (possibly cataclysmic) orders to his armies.