The Star Trek Mod - v1.9.7.5 (Oct 07)

[CNCRaymond]

Why redo them? I mean whats wrong with the current set?

[Black_Knyght]

One very MAJOR reason would be to have a Tholian shipset that ACTUALLY resembled the Tholian ships from the Star Trek Universe. The current ships aren't bad, if fact they're very good, but they just aren't what anyone interested in the Tholians has come to see as,...well..., THOLIAN !!! They're what most of us have settled for since a more realistic, or rather more accurate, shipset wasn't available.

AT has done some simply amazing work putting the feel of each of the respective Star Trek races and their shipsets into reality. All except the Tholians. Wouldn't a Tholian set from AT himself be a perfect way to wrap up the Star Trek shipsets?

Personally, I'd say Hell Yeah !!!

[Fyron]

Personally, I think the Tholian set is better than most anything else I have seen about "Tholians".

Like these ugly things:

http://www.sfbnexus.com/Tholian/t-pc-a.jpg
http://www.sfbnexus.com/Tholian/T-CA-M2-A.jpg

Or this:

another ugly one

or this ugly mug

This one isn't too bad, though: okish

Oleg has done much better work than 99% of the half-arsed attempts at Tholian ships out there, I think. No need to discount his work like this... they look just as "Trek" as any of AT's sets.

[Atrocities]

Oleg had a solid textred version of the set. but no oleg for a very long time.

[Captain Kwok]

I've always like Oleg's Tholian set, and how cool would they have been if they were partially transparent!?

But I wouldn't mind seeing AT take a shot at a Tholian set either.

[Black_Knyght]

Oleg has done much better work than 99% of the half-arsed attempts at Tholian ships out there, I think. No need to discount his work like this... they look just as "Trek" as any of AT's sets.

Whoa, easy there, hotshot !!!

No need to get pissy, Fyron, I wasn't dissin' Oleg, or his shipset. In point of fact, I said it was a good one. If you are looking for a crystalline shipset, it's great.

It just doesn't resemble the Tholians from the series, or have the same "character" as the remainder of the "Star Trek" shipsets. That's all.

If you play the Star Trek Mod, with all of it's associated "Star Trek" shipsets, in can be reasonably assumed that you are a fan of the ST universe - to one degree or another. Therefore, there's a certain appeal to having the Klingons, or Romulans, or Son'a in what actually look like Klingon, or Romulan, or Son'a ships, as they are seen in that universe.

That specific "flavor" or "theme" is a large part of the appeal. Whether or not you think they are ugly or not isn't even close to the issue. Any number of ships may look "ugly" or "half-arsed" to one person and appeal to another. There were already a number of other shipsets for specific races in existence when AT created new versions of them, not with the thought in mind of trashing prior efforts but as simply a new choice. That's the same story here. A new choice, done in AT's unique and talented style.

[Fyron]

"There were already a number of other shipsets for specific races in existence when AT created new versions of them..."

100% of such ST ship sets were just screen captures, half made by AT before he got into modeling, anyways.

So... do you actually want them to look like the crudely crafted models from TOS?



I think even the worst of the models I linked to were much more interesting than those.

"Oleg had a solid textred version of the set. but no oleg for a very long time."

Just send him an email (in his profile). He'll respond.

[narf poit chez BOOM]

All it needs is a paint job. The basic idea of a gem-like starship is good.

[Black_Knyght]

I'm curious, Fyron, why you're soooooooooo adamantly opposed to the idea of a new shipset for the game ? This seems almost personal, as if a new Tholian shipset was some sort of an affront to you.

Really though, what's wrong with the idea of AT's creating a new Tholian shipset, one that more closely resembles the ships seen in the series? Is that such a bad thing? Why the need to bash and trash the idea? You may well like the set that alreadt exists. More power to you. Others may be interested in a different one. Is that so bad?

You asked "So... do you actually want them to look like the crudely crafted models from TOS?".

Honestly, as a fan of Star Trek, my answer is - yes!

Or, as they appeared in the Enterprise series, or perhaps even some convergence of the two. I admire AT's works, I like the effort made to maintain the "look & feel" of the Star Trek Mod, and I personally even like the overall look of the Tholians and they're ships.

Can anyone honestly say that Klingon ships are stylish or pretty, or Vulcan ships, or Hirogen ships? What about some of the Stock Races ships, like the Toltayans, or the Piundon? Yeah, they can, just as others would say they're not.

I think the most basic point in question here is the one you've managed to dance around so peevishly. This is not a question of whether or not the existing Tholian shipset is good or bad, but would anybody be interested in seeing AT redo it in his own uniquely talented style?

In answer to that particular question, my personal vote would be: Yes

[Black_Knyght]

Just for some additional perspective, here are a few examples other possible types of Tholian ship designs. They originated in a Star Trek PC game developed by Paramount.