Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys

[zovs66]

Originally Posted by blazejos

Two soliders against 12 and a tank excelent material for mini scenerio on small trenches map

Not for SP games. Battalion sized is what the game is designed for.

[Suhiir]

And it's the only game I've found that allows you to command a fully reinforced battalion.

Some come kind of close BUT have pre-set formations (which are semi-accurate, at best), and are usually RTS (which is not to my taste at all). I play "Wargame Red Dragon" quite a but and have some hopes for "Broken Arrow" when it releases (tho the demo significantly undermined those hopes).

[Aeraaa]

Originally Posted by Suhiir

And it's the only game I've found that allows you to command a fully reinforced battalion.

Some come kind of close BUT have pre-set formations (which are semi-accurate, at best), and are usually RTS (which is not to my taste at all). I play "Wargame Red Dragon" quite a but and have some hopes for "Broken Arrow" when it releases (tho the demo significantly undermined those hopes).

Combat mission lets you do that, although it is more of a company size game.

[blazejos]

15 MR-2 Viktor anti-aircraft guns send to Ukraine
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/15-viktor-...zech-republic/


Leopard 2A6 from Germany delivered
https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and...aine-6207.html

Strykers And Cougars on Ukraine with photos
https://en.defence-ua.com/news/the_f...ideo-6243.html
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/ukraine-re...apon-stations/
Mine clerance modules for styrkers
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/mine-clear...cs-on-the-way/

JADAM bombs acording to this article were alredy used on frontline
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/ukraine-already-uses-jdam/

[DRG]

I had put them in for 4/123 and that's the way they will stay. I will add the mine clearing stryker for May for now

[blazejos]

old KS-19 AA guns refurbished starts to be used against ground tragets by Ukraine

https://mil.in.ua/en/news/the-ukrain...om-ks-19-guns/

RBS-56 ATGMs also on Ukraine
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/ukrainian-...-rbs-56-atgms/

[DRG]

I didn't see the need for a new thread for this

https://apnews.com/article/nato-finl...a2d81cd30eabc9

Finland to join NATO Tuesday, military alliance chief says

BRUSSELS (AP) — NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said Monday Finland will become the 31st member of the world’s biggest military alliance on Tuesday, and that he hopes its neighbor Sweden can join in coming months.

The development comes as Finnish voters gave a boost to conservative parties in a weekend election, depriving left-wing Prime Minister Sanna Marin of another term.

[Suhiir]

Seems Russia can't stop antagonizing it's neighbors.
Tho the recent improvement in relations with the PRC is "interesting".

[MarkSheppard]

Last night, there was a major leak of a TOP SECRET classified briefing deck dated around 1 March 2023.

This time, it wasn't WAR THUNDER forums; but someone on 4CHAN who leaked them to prove a point in a 4chan thread.

I won't be posting the images I found; since they're plastered with all sorts of classification marks -- interestingly enough, the Russians have already tried to use this leak to their advantage by photoshopping casualty figures to reverse casualties taken - i.e. the original says Ukraine has suffered 16 to 17.5K dead -- the photoshopped one says UA has like 60K dead.

Anyway, here's the MBT summary of info that might be useful (I'll post more later, I have to go to work)

US PATRIOT Training ends 27 March
Various Stryker BTG collective training ends 19 to 28 March (Different BNs)

A large amount of LEOPARD 2s are assigned to the 33d Brigade:

14 x LEO 2A4 (DEU) - Delivery by April
4 x LEO 2A4 (CAN) - Delivery by April
14 x LEO 2A4 (POL) - Delivery by March

The AMX-10RC are assigned to the 37th BDE, and as of 1 MAR; 9 out of 14 were on hand, with the rest delivered through March.

31 x PT91 Twardy are assigned to the 117 BDE with all scheduled delivered by 3 APR.

40 x MARDER are assigned to the 82ND BDE, estimated to arrive in April.
14 x CHALLENGER are assigned to 82nd BDE, estimated to arrive in April.
90 x STRYKER is assigned to 82nd BDE, est arrival of all 90 was 6 to 10 March to Dobra.

And for Bradley, 99 x M2 were assigned to 47 BDE, arrival somewhere between 6 to 19 MAR to Zamosc. (Training of Bradleys in that Brigade was 15 JAN to 29 MAR scheduled).

[DRG]

Any bit of "leaked" data from an internet source should be both considered possibly accurate AND suspect

This for instance

4 x LEO 2A4 (CAN) - Delivery by April

"Delivery" where ? To Ukraine or to units?

There is video online weeks ago showing at least one loaded on an air transport for Ukraine

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/first-...land-1.6261115

First tank sent by Canada for Ukrainian forces arrives in Poland

That was

Published Feb. 5, 2023 9:32 p.m. EST

TWO months ago

I suppose it's possible they have been in Poland and used for Training and they are going to Ukraine this month......... could be ( maybe )


Then there is this

The AMX-10RC are assigned to the 37th BDE, and as of 1 MAR; 9 out of 14 were on hand, with the rest delivered through March.

I suppose someone somewhere may have dropped the final "R" from RCR... or France only sent the RC Or they sent both.......

"The truth is out there"........... we just have to wait for it to arrive but in the meantime look for that needle in the haystack only the haystack is a pile of manure


That said, this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeN-xgocI_c

Does appear to show an RCR

as does this

https://defence-blog.com/ukraine-rec...s-from-france/

even though the caption is "The Ukrainian military has received the first AMX-10RC armored reconnaissance vehicles from France."