Microsoft VISTA

[El_Phil]

Thermodyne said:
Again, hind sight would tell us that it was the correct way to go. None of the Mach 3 fighters were built, and as it turned out, they were not needed. At about the same time, the US canceled the F107 and F108 fighter programs. And results of later designs like the SR 71 suggest that the original Mach 3 designs would have never have been completely successful because of unforeseen engineering problems.

First off TSR-2 was aviation grade ally-copper alloy, not titanium. No problem there.

As for the costs, you've paid the development costs, so the choice for TSR-2 was, build it or go F-111. As it turned out F-111 had cost overruns, indeed massive cost overruns, so the UK pulled out and brought some F-4s. For the money spunked on F-111 and buying F-4s you could of built as many TSR-2s as you wanted.

The money was there for new planes. I know you can get a bit 'US is best' blinded Thermy, but are you seriously saying you'd take F-4s over TSR-2s?

[Sivran]

Again, resorting to insults does not support your argument. And you're doing it in every post: calling 9x users stupid and clueless. You've shown me--and anyone else who disagress with you--nothing but contempt and hostility. I can only conclude that it's just something you do to make you feel better about yourself, and hope that you don't carry over this hostility to your workplace.

An attacker getting his hands physically on a machine is the worst possible thing that could happen to any machine regardless of the OS. It WILL be compromised. Yes, time taken will vary, but it will not remain secure, full stop. This is why we have physical security measures as well as software.

To me it sounds like you believe in 100% security. You make it sound as if you believe XP in the enterprise is nigh invincible. I hope it isn't true, but your post sure sounds like it.

I am not a mindless MS basher. I think they have made some fundamental mistakes. Their patching is slow but I understand why it is and I don't fault them for it. Personally, I hate XP, it's only made life harder for me. I applaud Microsoft's recent efforts in the security arena. You on the other hand come across the same way as those rabid Firefox fans.

My point is, 98 and ME are still viable operating systems and should not be discounted simply because they do not contain the kitchen sink, nor should their users be subject to the flames you so enjoy spewing and the signs you dearly love. As to your opinion, well, we know what those are like.

[NullAshton]

ME is not a viable operating system, as it crashes every chance you get. It mananged to crash as it was connecting to the internet. How the heck does it manage that?

[Fyron]

Thermodyne said:
People can hate anything they want, but they should be able to support their position.

And they do. All the time. You just choose to read it how you want to and add lots of personal attacks and insults so that your own worldview will not be threatened. There is no reason for calling us idiots and other such things. Learn to respond without the insults, or agree to disagree. Please stop posting in this thread if you can not do so without the flames. Thank you.

And Sivran, that was cutting it rather close as well.

Let's try to be civil here...

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I never said I had the skills to compromise a computer that I had physical access to. But there are many that do. Physical security is by far the most important layer of security.

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NullAshton said:
ME is not a viable operating system, as it crashes every chance you get.

ME can be perfectly stable, if you avoid installing 16 bit programs and drivers. More difficult to achieve than with 98, but definitely within the realm of the possible. Also, IE should be avoided on it just like on 95 and 98.

[Thermodyne]

EDIT: Stupid post removed

[Thermodyne]

Whoa there fella, I don’t recall insulting anyone but Sivran. And that was only do to his original post were he stated that 98 was more secure than 2K/XP. Personally, I think that that type of misinformation should be discredited by the most direct and harshest means available. 9x compromises don’t make the news; so many uninformed people assume that it is safe. Also, the deployed base is not really a high value target these days. With worms getting all the press, it has been forgotten that TSR’s were the favored attack against 9x. And with a TSR, you can achieve the same end result as a worm has on XP.

Most people think that with access they can use a program to reset the administrator account password or that the can boot to another OS and access the file system. This is not true today. It would probably still work on a home system, but not on a secure network. The biggest problem today is biological compromise such as users writing down their username and password on a post it and then sticking it to the monitor or keyboard. This and HIPPA are probably going to force us to move to a biometric form of authentication. Data interception is another area that is vulnerable, that’s why you see wire mesh on the outsides of some government buildings and super sensitive sites have no offices with exterior wall exposure.

[Renegade 13]

One thing that should never be talked about on a public forum:

OS's

[Fyron]

It doesn't matter if it was one person. Flames are _never_ the way to respond to anything you disagree with. Also, it should be noted that Sivran is far more than your "average user."

[Thermodyne]

Sivran, again you have me saying things that I never said. In the future please include quotes if you choose to put words in my mouth. Secondly, you don’t have a clue as to who I am or what I am like. From your post, I would have to assume that you are now speaking for everyone else. Wouldn’t that be a bit of a reach? In your first post, you clearly indicated that 98 was less vulnerable than XP/2K. And I choose to continue to state that this is not true. And since you have chosen to fall back on the defense of your personal honor, rather than post facts to support your position, I can only assume that you have none to post. Also, why do you continue to defend yourself on points that are not part of the discussion that you and I are having. This whole thing is about your statement, by example, that 98 is more secure than XP. So unless you intend to support your statement, just let it drop. But if you choose to continue, I’ll reply to every post and bring the topic back to your opening statement until such time as you choose to address it. I can respect anyone’s opinion if it is based in fact. I can even respect a person that is willing to make a good argument of their position when it is based on opinion. But you have yet to do either. Saying that your grand dad still uses 98 does not support your position, even though I would assume that he is a fine gentleman. You don’t have to agree with me, but you should at least have the nards to support your position with fact, or bow out. Hell, it’s no shame to have a position that is based only on your experience with the subject at hand, but you should include that with the statement. So, if you choose to continue this, you might as well address the issue in question, or you will get very tired of me continuing to bring it up.

[Thermodyne]

Imperator Fyron said:
It doesn't matter if it was one person. Flames are _never_ the way to respond to anything you disagree with. Also, it should be noted that Sivran is far more than your "average user."

I know that, Ive seen him around some other forums I belong to. But the fact remains that the point of his first post is dead wrong, and something that shaould have never been posted by a user of his experiance.