OT: Bible Discussion (Split from Real World Sensitivities) - Page 11

Bwaha · #1 September 28th, 2008, 06:08 PM

HB, I don't have an axe to grind about homosexuals. And if I had a cure I would share it only with those who wanted it. That is if you considered it a sickness which I don't.

That being said, I love all of you! That is why I care. I promise you that I will never utter hate speach on this or any other forum. If I ever come off harsh, it is that I lack the skills to communicate at the level that you all are used to. This is changing as I continue to speak with you. So please cut me a little slack.

I will continue to love you regardless of whatever you say. So peace bro.

HoneyBadger · #2 September 28th, 2008, 06:16 PM

That's what I'm saying-having another belief system is a state of being, it's not a disease, you aren't necessarily helping someone by inflicting your point of view on them, without them asking for it, anymore than you're helping someone by giving them a "cure" for being tall, or having brown hair.

And no matter how great you think your point of view is, that's still *all* it is, and it's not going to work for everybody, no matter how hard you pray about it.

Bwaha · #3 September 28th, 2008, 06:31 PM

Okay, I understand your point of view, please try to understand mine. I must share, I have to. I wish to continue, but if you require me to be silent, I will stop. Its up to you the community to decide, and I will abide by it.

HoneyBadger · #4 September 28th, 2008, 07:09 PM

You're free to share, that's not the point. Everyone here is here out of choice. The point that I take objection to is the point where you share your views with a starving person, in return for food for them and their children, in the understanding that if they want you to keep feeding them, they'd better come around to your way of thinking. If you want to "share" with somebody, and they willingly put themselves in a position to be exposed to that, then that's fine-and freedom of speech gives you the constitutional right to "share" even with that starving person, and I respect that right, and defend your ability to invoke it--but don't ask that I believe it to be the action or the will of a benevolent god.

Bwaha · #5 September 28th, 2008, 07:20 PM

Huh? I don't get the context. I'm not a member of a church, when I give I do it secretly so no one knows who did it. Are you talking about soup kitchens? I've been to a church that did what you said, preaching to them for about an hour then feeding them. This I find to be detestable. Its all about pride. Anyway I would like to talk about cosmology and the bible. Is that a safe subject?

HoneyBadger · #6 September 28th, 2008, 08:43 PM

Oh absolutely.

Bwaha · #7 September 29th, 2008, 11:49 PM

I will start tomorrow. I'm too tired to start now.

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Bwaha · #8 September 30th, 2008, 01:54 PM

Okay, I'm ready to start. First let me say that these thoughts are mine and not any church doctrine. None of these thoughts are "gospel truth" or anything like that. I just wish to exchange thoughts. I wish that reason and logic will prevail in this discussion.

Lets start out granting that there are dimensions that are outside of normal perception. That being said lets continue, I posit that "god" is outside of the time stream. My perception of this is that "god" or the creator of all is holding the strands of the universe like a "cats cradle". I beleve that the folks with him are also outside of our here and now. There's some passages that indicate that this is the case, but I don't want to clutter this up with a bunch of bible qoutes. I will await your comments at this point.

Tifone · #9 September 30th, 2008, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Bwaha

I wish that reason and logic will prevail in this discussion.

Good. So let's start!

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Originally Posted by Bwaha

Lets start out granting that there are dimensions that are outside of normal perception. That being said lets continue, I posit that "god" is outside of the time stream. My perception of this is that "god" or the creator of all is holding the strands of the universe like a "cats cradle". I beleve that the folks with him are also outside of our here and now. There's some passages that indicate that this is the case, but I don't want to clutter this up with a bunch of bible qoutes.

Ok. In the sake of the same reason and logic you called, I would ask you to prove all of those "beliefs" and "perceptions", as you called them yourself.
Of course you can believe everything you want and for me it's great, but where is the evidence of all this? How do you percieve this "god" or creator which stands somewhere in those dimensions out of the time and space, and why others don't?
Mind I'm not negating it could be true, but without evidence it is pretty much like believing in leprechauns and unicorns to me - things I wouldn't base my life on

And as you seem a reasonable and nice guy, I would ask you why do you believe all this and possibly (as your previous posts seem to suggest) why do you base your life on those beliefs.

Of course again read no attack in my points, I'm just asking

- I think I should just stop saying this, it should be clear to everyone who has read 1% of this 3ad that I don't want to hurt or attack anyone, but it is true even that religious susceptibility is very hot these days

Best wishes, waiting for reply

Skirmisher · #10 September 30th, 2008, 02:04 PM

Each star burning in the infinite realm of space is one of god's brain cells.

Space is infinte. That in itself is mindblowing.
Humans only have 5 senses and thus cannot know much of what exsists.
For anybody to say that humans here on earth are the only form of life in the universe have there heads ...(well you get the picture).

Also when we die that's not the end, nature gives us a new body. No we dont remeber that. It would be to confusing for us anyways. The soul is eternal,why should it be limited to one lousy lifetime?