Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

And to make matters worse, then there's this.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe..._promised.html

Upper right is pictured the AMX-10 RCR but it's labeled as an AMX-10 RC.

The article is discussing it as the AMX-10 RC.

I've posted articles with pictures showing the AMX-10 RCR (Just a week ago or so I posted one in this category showing Ukrainian Crews training in France on maneuvers.) and I also see more of what this ref did above.

Didn't want to post it but, the "door was opened" it's very frustrating.

CONCUR YOURS ARE THE AMX-10 RCR.

HOWEVER, THE YOU TUBE VIDEO OPENS IN THE CAPTION SAYING IT'S AN AMX-10 RC THAT DESERVES ANOTHER...

HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE DEALT WITH THIS OVER THE YEARS!?! MORE THEN WE'VE CARED TOO.

I feel bad for the AMX-10 RCR it's going to get an "Inferiority Complex".


Regards,
Pat

[DRG]

Well......... "to be fair"........ the RCR *IS* a sub variant of the RC so *technically" it's an RC.

However that is a mistake of regular media to make not armyrecognition

As I have said before I have both in the UKN OOB but the true "RC" is renationalize so it will not show up in the game BUT...... if the damn thing shows up in Ukraine it's a 2 second fix to activate it

[DRG]

and to make thingS so much more fun for what is really a VERY MINOR unit

This is an RCR with the SEPAR modification ( SystèmE de Protection EEI pour AMX 10RCR or IED Protection System for AMX-10RCR ) that replaces the side skirts from the front to the middle of the vehicle by heavy armor plates. This modification is designed for Afghanistan and offers a better protection against EEI ( Improvised Explosive Device). This kit represents the practical limit the suspension can carry. The tank weights now in total 22 t.





and allegedly so is this....... but WITHOUT THE SEPAR EEI



and this



but this is touted to be an RC



as is this



and this
https://www.n-tv.de/mediathek/videos...e23825026.html



claims......"AMX-10 RC are "not what Kiev hoped for"


AND WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT UPGRADES MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE BEEN APPLIED

The difference in game terms and to a certain extent in RL is the RC is amphibious and could, if need be added to BTR formations and that added fire support could go where he BTR's could go but the RCR WITH THE SEPAR KIT is not so cannot

The vehicle is WAY more useful working with BTR formations for the added fire support it can give

so........... IF WE SEE A PHOTO OF ONE IN UKRAINE and it does not have the SEPAR then it's amphibious ....... (maybe......)

https://www.defense.gouv.fr/terre/no...x-10-rcr-separ

The renovated AMX 10 RC tank SEPAR (EEI Protection System) is a powerfully armed armored reconnaissance vehicle, with very good mobility on the road and in any way, amphibious (except with overprotection), protected against light weapons from infantry.

[DRG]

Originally Posted by MarkSheppard

Last night, there was a major leak of a TOP SECRET classified briefing deck dated around 1 March 2023.

https://www.n-tv.de/politik/Kiew-hae...e24040270.html

in part ( translated from German )

Allegedly secret documents about US military aid to Ukraine end up on the Internet. For Kiev, the matter is clear: It is a disinformation campaign - Moscow wants to unsettle the Ukrainians before the planned counterattack. The Kremlin, on the other hand, sees the threat from the West as confirmed.

Ukraine considers the leak of alleged secret documents about US and NATO plans to support the Ukrainian military ahead of the planned counter-offensive to be a Russian disinformation campaign. Moscow is trying to sow doubts about the planned counter-offensive, Presidential Advisor Mykhailo Podoliak told Reuters news agency.

Accordingly, the data published by the "New York Times" contained "a large amount of fictitious information". Russia is trying to "take back the initiative in its invasion". Tactics like these are part of the standard repertoire of Russian intelligence, Podoliak explained. Moscow wants to intimidate Ukraine with false information about its knowledge of the Ukrainian offensive. The Ukrainian high command wants to discuss measures today to prevent the disclosure of military information.

The United States also suspects Russia is behind the alleged secret documents, as three US officials told the Reuters news agency. The documents appear to have been altered to reduce the number of casualties suffered by Russian forces, US officials said, adding that their assessments are informal and independent of any investigation into the leak itself , officials declined to give further details of the documents. The Pentagon declined to comment on the authenticity of documents dated March 1 and marked "Secret" and "Top Secret." When asked by the New York Times, NATO in Brussels also declined to comment. "

"The first casualty when war comes is truth". Hiram W Johnson

[DRG]

Then there is this knee slapper in that article

Moscow sees its hostile attitude towards the West confirmed by the reports on the leaked documents. "We have not the slightest doubt that the United States and NATO are directly or indirectly involved in the conflict between Russia and Ukraine," Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told CNN.

well DUH !

Maybe at the start.... maybe not, for sure a lot of people saw it coming and made contingencies but that is SOP for governments and military but to say that now there are NATO origin weapons and tanks in Ukraine is Ludacris

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

EDIT : READ THE WRONG PICTURE CAPTION That's because I'm still home and that's the story I'm sticking to!?!

I identified your "what is this" AMX-10 RCR. It's a late model conversion known as the AMX-10 RCR SEPAR the following UNDER the Desert Storm section shows it as used in Operations in Mali in 2014.

See it in the last picture on the right Picture Gallery ABOVE the words Picture Gallery.

It's an add on armor kit.

https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldw...-10-rc-rcr.php
(If bored cycle through the pictures in the Variant Section some where used some not.)
https://www.defense.gouv.fr/terre/no...x-10-rcr-separ
(Looks like the kit can be used with either version.)
https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/20...nk-to-ukraine/

I thought it might have been an ERA package at first glance which is why I dug into a little deeper. But it's possible France could've sent some of these packages as well.

Another something to look out for, I guess.

Oh, those articles are starting to "pop up" again about Putin not looking well or similar. I guess the FSB/GRU have nothing better to do.

Regards,
Pat

[DRG]

Yeah Pat I know that's why I put the SEPAR info in my post and the link to globaldefensecorp

this whole RC/RCR thing is GETTING OLD

What I have in the game now is what's going out in the next release. It WILL be called "RCR" and it WILL BE amphibious unless we see SEPAR kits on them

[MarkSheppard]

Originally Posted by DRG

Any bit of "leaked" data from an internet source should be both considered possibly accurate AND suspect

There's just so much information buried in this slide that if someone was faking it; it's just too much work.

I screwed up this morning; I put the German tanks as Leopard 2A4s, when the slide deck has them as 2A6s. I was trying to type out stuff quickly before going to work on a laptop.

The AMX-10 is only given as "AMX-10" in the slide not RC/RCR or any of that, so you can blame me.

[MarkSheppard]

From one of the leaked slides:

This slide was dated 28 Feb 2023 at 1800 EST; so everything in here is outdated somewhat.

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Based on known contributions, training pathways, and projections, (12) combat credible BDEs can be generated for the Spring Counteroffensive, (3) internally by Ukraine (not depicted], and (9) are trained and equipped by US, Allied & Partner (US/A&P). Of the (9) BDEs, (6) BDEs will be ready by 31MAR, and the final (3) BDEs by 30APR. Equipment delivery times will impact training and readiness in this timeline. Total equipment required for (9) BDEs is 253 x Tanks, 381 x Mech, 480 x Motor, and 147 x Artillery plus delivery of 571 x U.S. Up-Armored HMMWVs.

Brigade Loadouts:

UNK BDE - 90 x BMP, 13 x T-64, 17 x Tanks (UNK), 12 x AS-90 x 10 x 2S1

47 BDE = 99 x M2 Bradleys, 28 x T-55S, 12 x M109, 12 x D-30

33 BDE = 90 x MaxxPro, 14 x Leo 2A6, 18 x Leo 2A4, 12 x M119

21 BDE = 20 x CVR(T), 30 x Senator, 20 x Bulldog, 21 x Husky, 10 x M113, 30 x T-64, 10 x FH70

32 BDE: 90 x MaxxPro, 10 x T-72, 20 x Tanks, 12 x D-30, [illegible]

37 BDE: 30 x Mastiff/Husky, 30 x Mastiff/Wolf, 10 x Senator, 14 x AMX-10, 16 x Tanks, 12 x D-30, [illegible]

118 BDE: 90 x M113, 28 x T-72, 6 x M-109, 8 x FH-70

117 BDE: 28 x Viking, 20 x XA185, 10 x M113, 10 x Senator, 31 x PT-91 Twardy, 12 x D-30

82 BDE: 90 x Stryker, 40 x Marder, 14 x Challenger, 24 x M119

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Ongoing Collective Training:

5 x Armor Bns:

Challenger in England
Leopard 2 in Germany
Leopard 2 in Poland
T-72 in Ukraine
T-64 in Ukraine

7 x Mech Bns:

BMP in Poland by Czechs and Polish
M2 Bradley in Germany
M2 Bradley in Germany
M113 in Ukraine
Marder in Germany
Viking in Finland
XA185 in Finland

3 x Motor Bns:

MaxxPro in Ukraine
Stryker in Germany
Stryker in Germany

3 x Field Arty Bns:

M019 in Germany
M109 in Germany
FH70 in Ukraine

[MarkSheppard]

This is from several of the leaked slides:

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Bakhmut Axis as of 0600 EST on 1 MAR 2023:

Russian Federation Forces:

35 Total MVR BNs

29,000 Total Russian Personnel
~7,000 Regular/Res, RLF, and TDF
~22,000 PMC Vagner

10 Combat-Effective MVR BNs (regular and reserve)
0 Combat-Ineffective MVR BNs (regular and reserve)
15 Combat-Effective RLF BNs
10 Combat-Ineffective RLF BNs
0 Combat-Effective TDF BNs
0 Combat-Ineffective TDF BNs
12 Wagner PMC DETs

Ukranian Armed Forces:
12 BDEs (61 MVR BNs), 15,250 - 30,500 Total Personnel

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Kharkiv Axis as of 0600 EST on 1 MAR 2023:

Russian Federation Forces:
160 Total MVR BNs ~48,600 Total Personnel
37 Combat-Effective MVR BNs (regular and reserve)
44 Combat-Ineffective MVR BNs (regular and reserve)
40 Combat-Effective RLF BNs
1 Combat-Ineffective RLF BNs
38 Combat-Effective TDF BNs
4 Combat-Ineffective TDF BNs

Ukranian Armed Forces:
6 BDEs (29 MVR BNs) 7,250 - 14,500 Total Personnel

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Donetsk Axis as of 0600 EST on 1 MAR 2023:

Russian Federation Forces:
91 Total MVR BNs, ~ 23, 050 Total Personnel
32 Combat-Effective MVR BNs (regular and reserve)
11 Combat-Ineffective MVR BNs (regular and reserve)
33 Combat-Effective RLF BNs
7 Combat-Ineffective RLF BNs
7 Combat-Effective TDF BNs
1 Combat-Ineffective TDF BNs

Ukranian Armed Forces:
8 BDEs (40 MVR BNs), 10,000 - 20,000 Total Personnel