Mod: CBM 1.7 released

[Calahan]

Originally Posted by NooBliss

That's exactly why I am saying 'give Ulm some time before declaring it too weak'.

Well they've had 4 years so far, how much more time do you reckon they need?

[NooBliss]

4 years since CBM 1.7? ^^

[Calahan]

Originally Posted by NooBliss

4 years since CBM 1.7? ^^

Ah, apologies NooBliss, I thought you were arguing against the changes that CBM 1.7 made to Ulm. (since you were talking about them having decent troops etc, which they still haven't really got even with the 1.7 changes. Still no MR and a troop roster mostly full of 10's on base stats).

The hammer nerf hurts them the most though, as what hasn't been considered yet (or I haven't seen it) is how much the hammer nerf destroys some nation's diplomacy powers. As the likes of MA Ulm and EA Agartha can often survive the early game by grabbing some NAP's, along with the added "I'll give you a few free hammers if you sign a NAP" sweetener. I used this very successfully in the Legends of Faerun game (around 18 monts ago) to survive as EA Agartha when I started next to Lanka, Hinnom and Helheim (ie. I'd have been dead in 10 turns if I didn't have the option to give my neighbours several free hammers, which is the item they'd want the most in the first 20 turns).

So without hammers as bargaining tools, the weak Earth nations are more boned than ever. And each nation will likely require a complete re-write to make them competitive again in a hammer free world. As no amount of small tweaks will do it IMO. Neither will a forge bonus on mages, as it was the ability to "give hammers" that was the key to their early diplomacy options against uber neighbours. All IMO of course

[Tryfan]

Can you use both 1.6 and 1.7 in the same install?

I want to start a new game but I have old games running 1.6 right now, I don't want to have to fight with things to make them all work together.

[iRFNA]

I'm doing it, and it works fine.

[rdonj]

As long as both mods are not enabled simultaneously you will be just fine. Mods in dominions are only switched on and off inside the game, so it's really easy to avoid conflicts... just make sure you switch off all mods other than the ones you want on before starting a new game.

[Dimaz]

SDRs being a gemgen is just bs and even qm admitted in irc that they're just "have similar properties". Gemgens reproduce exponentially without upper bound while SDRs don't produce anything by themselves and have upper bound of approx 3*number of provinces suitable for hunting, so their effect is proportional to your gem income from sites (both are proportional to total number of provs you own), unlike true gemgens.

[DeadlyShoe]

Well, it's a gem generator with a limit. It's still something you put gems into and get more gems back in the long run.

[Dimaz]

The biggest problems with gemgens as I understand are 1) they can grow unbounded (well, limited to producing 50/turn in the end) which encourages turtling 2) their income is hidden. Both of them don't exist for SDRs. Thus SDRs are not gemgens, both by their effect (previous post) and by their issues.
And summoning units/casting spells with gems during conquest is definitely gem generator by your definition. You put gems into it and gain more gems in the long run from captured provinces. Let's ban capturing provinces, then.

[DeadlyShoe]

That's ridiculous and you know its ridiculous. :P