MP: Multiera Mithril Might (Started)

[BigDaddy]

So, you guys talk a little on IRC or something and then make assumptions about the players not on IRC? That's what I assume is happening. Not that I could have done much... I might have been able to do more but some genius thought the best thing to do was to attack handful of provinces protected by a lich, rather than going for the fleshy fat neighbors. Whatever, though, I thought, I will still help determine the end of this game. I cannot think of a single way in which I could win, unless I could take uncontested much of someone elses territory.

I really still don't care, I'll keep playing anyway.

It's funny because even if Hinnon gave up, I couldn't quickly take his provinces anyway, and I still wouldn't win!

[Zeldor]

You are right about one game where I overreacted about one people just going AI [not that your words here are really better versed].

And now you are reading what you want to read. You created the pledge, but you are the one joining games and not really following it. The goal for everyone should be to do everything possible to win the game, how is your invasion helping with that? You say that I'm kicking the game - you are doing the same by supporting the strongest nation. Isn't kingmaking against the pledge? Sure, you can say that you can attack him later, but that wouldn't happen if I stayed and fought the war, maybe till the end of game.

You prefer to use vulgar words, where I put simple explanation. I could say that you are trying to take revenge for example for me not liking your guides or fighting in another game. But that would be probably a lie. You have the right to attack anyone you want, be it game leader or mid-pack member. And I have the right to go AI, when I see that it can make the game more balanced and wake some people up. And I have the right to comment on people not trying good enough to win - I am not telling they are terrbile, simply suggesting more mature to MP approach. And you should know really well that it's true - you are one of the best players around after all and you know diplomacy quite well.

[Torin]

Well, I postpone hosting till we decide what to do.

[Baalz]

Zeldor, your arrogance is almost beyond belief. I am, as always, playing for a win and there is a lot of stuff going on which you are obviously unaware. There's also almost certainly plenty of stuff that I'm unaware of but from what I've pieced together this looks a whole lot like you couldn't get everyone to join the dogpile that you wanted so you're taking your ball and going home. That's exactly what happened in Art of War. "Newbs don't know how to play" is apparently Zeldor-speak for "I couldn't convince half a dozen people to all stop what they're doing and attack the guy I decided needs to go down". It'd be one thing if you only mouthed off like a jackass, but you then combine it with actions that materially derail the game. It boggles my mind that you can in any way believe that you're on the moral high ground and doing this "for our own good".

[BigDaddy]

If playing kingmaker is against the pledge then the pledge is designed as junk, there many circumstances in which the liklihood of victory is extremely small.

If I ever played a two player and lost 3 early expansion armies, as I did, in this game, I would yield to my opponent. I lost with them. In MP, I might have just a slightly better chance of victory, but to assert that victory is 'possible' is pretty ridiculous... Unless you jsut give me Pythium, then I might be able to win!

[Meglobob]

I have to say that, 'so you're taking your ball and going home' is exactly how I would describe Zeldors attitude and actions. His I am just spicing the game up is a load of rubbish, more like I can't win now and I don't fancy turns and turns of fighting Baalz so I will take the easy way out and go AI.

Also, I am playing to win, Baalz is, I am sure Hinnom, Arco, Lanka and Ermor are too. Well everyone else is fighting on and quite rightly too. We all join to fight other people cause its more fun, not the AI which we can do anytime. Very, very disappointing Zeldor, you would be annoyed if you felt you had a potientially winning position and then someone just bailed and handed there empire over without a fight, completely swinging the balance of power.

[BigDaddy]

Zeldor should have said:

Formoria, your foolish move will cost you dearly. You have attacked the sole possible ally in the struggle against Hinnon. I will destroy you. As for the rest of these pitiful pretenders, they can feast upon our corpse when you find your destruction.

That is actually the angle I would take in defending myself too.

[Meglobob]

I suppose we only have 2 options now:-

1) Continue with MA Pythium AI.

2) Try to find a sub for MA Pythium who is willing to put up a fight and rollback the turn. I believe only the new MA Pythium player would need to redo there turn.

What does everyone think and does anyone know a player who wants some battle practice?

[anonymity]

I don't see what's wrong with what happened.

a) Fomoria believes he can improve his position so that it's more likely to win. He invades Pythium
b) Pythium believes that neither he nor Fomoria can win. He sets himself AI

I don't really understand what's wrong with what's happened here. You pick on the weak and the busy, and quietly build up advantages in research and gem income. If diplo and war doesn't go someone's way, they are well within their rights to set themselves AI. Nothing wrong with either action. Let's keep playing.

[BigDaddy]

Originally Posted by anonymity

I don't see what's wrong with what happened.

a) Fomoria believes he can improve his position so that it's more likely to win. He invades Pythium
b) Pythium believes that neither he nor Fomoria can win. He sets himself AI

I don't really understand what's wrong with what's happened here. You pick on the weak and the busy, and quietly build up advantages in research and gem income. If diplo and war doesn't go someone's way, they are well within their rights to set themselves AI. Nothing wrong with either action. Let's keep playing.

(you lose the value of role playing... the disconnection with actual losing and the greater importance of having fun, and thus, we are lead to believe, once again, that only crappy players lose... for instance, with his good player pledge, I can't tell if Baalz/Zeldor (which is which again?) are actually that conceited... RAWR!!!)

Even now the other nations of the world salivate over our smouldering ashes!

BOE - GayR - USSSSSS...