Bug: Bug Thread: Discussion

[lch]

Endoperez said:
Patala doesn't have access to the old "good" side of the summons. No Apsaras, Gandharvas, Siddhas...

Huh?

[Lord_Bob]

I'd like to say two things:

1-Monkeys were taught how to summon these things, and they still remember how.

2-Patala doesn't need "rebalancing" in the direction of making it even weaker. It's bad enough all thier "good" summons can be killed by any race with Astral-1. Lookee, you spent 25 Astral summoning a Kinnari. Lookee, two 90 gold Astral-1 Wizards just cast "Magic Duel" and now he is is dead. Great. Of course there is no other reason they would be casting that, except to kill your 450 gold Astral-1 Nagarashi's. In fact, that is why Patala sucks. Right there. That is it. Move a point out of Earth, and put a point in Astral, and suddenly Nagarashi can't be killed super-easy by things that cost a fifth as much. That would be a big help for them. It basically makes me build Nagini's unless I am ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN no "astral" race is going to attack me. "Astral" being defined as having a reasonably cheap Astral-1 caster. Like a very large number of races. Basically your "change" takes away the only non-capital non-Astral mages I have access to. Unless I want to watch Guru's cast "Touch Of Madness" on my longbowmen. Or maybe I can communion so he can enlarge some dragon flies.

[Endoperez]

Endoperez said:
Patala doesn't have access to the old "good" side of the summons. No Apsaras, Gandharvas, Siddhas...

It seems I misremembered - Patala DOES have access to Apsaras etc. I'm sure that when I tried the nation, I wondered why they were missing spells that they had in an earlier age... It was a long time ago. Sorry about that.

[Loren]

Got a couple things to add:

1) Curse of Blood monthly casting doesn't work. It casts once but does not repeat.

2) The manual lists a couple of summoning spells that are apparently national only. I was trying to find a summonable preacher--both of the ones listed aren't available.

[Edi]

1) Enough blood slaves in the lab at start of turn?
2) Which spells?

[Loren]

Edi said:
1) Enough blood slaves in the lab at start of turn?

Yes.

2) Which spells?

I forget which off the top of my head. They are the ones that summon something holy.


I just found another that doesn't work right monthly: Gift of Reason. It did cast but it had no effect. It must have been targeted on a specific unit instead of a type of unit. (I've also had trouble casting multiple Gift of Reason's in the same province on the same unit type.)

[lch]

There are no "types of units", it ALWAYS targets a specific unit. If there's more than one unit of the same type, then both are in the list, too. Choosing the same one twice isn't a smart thing to do and it's why it can't be done monthly, too.

[lch]

Loren said:
1) Curse of Blood monthly casting doesn't work. It casts once but does not repeat.

Assuming that you did the same error of targetting a specific province when you set it to monthly, try NOT setting a specific one when casting it, but use the default one (which will directly depend on the province number). It should work.

[Loren]

lch said:
There are no "types of units", it ALWAYS targets a specific unit. If there's more than one unit of the same type, then both are in the list, too. Choosing the same one twice isn't a smart thing to do and it's why it can't be done monthly, too.

But when you pick the target for it you are only given the types of units in the province, not all the units.

[Loren]

lch said:

Assuming that you did the same error of targetting a specific province when you set it to monthly, try NOT setting a specific one when casting it, but use the default one (which will directly depend on the province number). It should work.

Curse of Blood is a summoning spell, it doesn't have a province target!