MBT's

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Originally Posted by FASTBOAT TOUGH

I think I saw a Russian tank that supposedly is operating in Ukraine that I haven't seen until MAYBE this evening. At this time, I will not divulge the type I believe I saw. I will say it might be a T-80 type, however, I feel it's something else based on only the view from the news feed.

You have to go to where you can watch "The CBS Evening News" w/Norah O'Donnel for 4 April 2022. You'll need to be ready at the 6m 30s mark to freeze/or slow the video before the 6m 38s mark. The tank in ? will be moving through a bombed out residential area from Right to Left on your screen. Also note a couple of trees between you and the tank as it's moving.

I'll provide my answer in a couple of nights. In fairness Don will be informed before that. It's not a game just seeking input/opinions on the matter.

Saw a Ukrainian tank (T-72) towing on the road (CNN) a undamaged fairly new looking Russian tank that it seems the crew just abandoned for whatever reason possibly just ran out of fuel. It was filmed in Eastern Ukraine. Crazy! They didn't even attempt to disable it.

For you Scenario and Campaign builders, I'm also reposting the following here. This is normally a paid subscription item for FREE for I don't know how long.
https://www.janes.com/defence-news/n...ukraine-crisis

I better get to watching Vikings Valhalla or CINCLANTHOME will ensure all future posts will be coming from there!?!

Regards,
Pat

Found the The CBS Evening News[/b]" w/Norah O'Donnel for 4 April 2022but at the time you wrote they are discussing sactions

[Karagin]

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...les-to-ukraine

This is the article I was speaking about for the BMPs.

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Originally Posted by Karagin

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...les-to-ukraine

This is the article I was speaking about for the BMPs.

The only thing different game-wise would be the Pbv-501's had the anti-tank missile launch system removed. I can certainly add a version as a Pbv-501 without the missile guessing it will be sent in as-is which means a 50/50 chance of right or wrong. There are already ATGM equipped ones in the OOB now

http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product4355.html


NOTE "army guide" uses both 501 and 502 as a description

The main differences between the Pbv 502 and the BMP-1 are as follows:

• Removal of the launcher rail for the Koloma KBM 9K11 Malyutka (NATO AT-3 'Sagger') over the 73 mm gun 2A28 and its associated control box inside of the turret
• Weapon monitor circuits include devices inhibiting use of weapons when the hatches are open
• Removal of asbestos elements in certain parts of the vehicle and their replacement by harmless material, while retaining the original functions. This includes brake linings, main clutch lining as well as sealing and insulation
• Installation of a new fire detection and suppression system that does not contain Freon, this can be operated manually or automatically
• External lights, including indicators, now conform to NATO standards
• Sockets for outside starting, preventive charging of batteries and connection of devices are unified in accordance with NATO regulations
• Camouflage system corresponds to NATO regulations
• The accumulator batteries are now stored in a hermetic box ventilated outside of the vehicle space
• Observation devices are fitted with protective covers
• New footsteps, handles and non-slip coverings are installed to ensure safe movement of the crew on the hull
• Holders for Swedish weapons including sub-machine guns, machine guns and ammunition
• Installation of an independent crew heater
• Improved exhaust outlet
• Additional radio installation

And the Ukrainians replaced the entire turret on theirs it's unclear if that conversion will be made with these 501's ( guessing not at this time )

ALL WE CAN DO IS GUESS AT THIS POINT IN TIME

further info

The Swedish Pbv 501 wasn't just your ordinary BMP-1. The commission determined the munition used for the gun to be unsafe for peacetime use and thus had very limited access to them as only some of them were converted to practice ammunition. As part of the modernization (ROMOR) program, they deemed the ATGM-firing platform to be superfluous and removed it. The autoloader added only discomfort for the gunner, and so was removed as well. - Additionally, some specimens of the Pbv 501 were converted to command vehicles (to be used by company commanders/staff) where it had exchanged some space of the troop compartment for extra radios and facilities for the staff.

Any way....... its in the OOB now with the 73mm gun start date May 2022

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Sorry I was off a minute too late. I just reviewed the following from the same full broadcast (w/0 commercials.), it's there just noted wrong time.

I would "que up" just before the 5m mark and just let it run until it shows up ~16s (GET AT THE READY!) later and have your finger on the "trigger" to hit the "pause button" before that-it's not much you're going to get.
https://www.cbs.com/shows/cbs_evenin...-april-4-2022/

For everyone else Don has "my guess" on the tank, just seeking UNBIASED answers.

I gotta get ready for work!

Regards,
Pat


JUST CHECKED IT'S THERE!! GOTTA GO!!

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You mean this one ?





The side skirts are a little different but I don't think it's anything "new"

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Don,
Now that you were nice enough to "blow up" that portion of the tank I was wondering about, I can definitely say that's not the T-90MS/M I thought was a possibility.

They say they're there, I've yet to see one in video or pictures. First ones were supposed to go to the eastern military district but Russian version might not be fielded yet.

The three main tanks expected to serve in the Russian Army they are the
T-72B3M (Our T-72B3/4 is the same tank.) tanks with the domestic sighting and observation system, T-90M Proryv-3 (Again have seen this as the T-90MS not to be confused with the export version. Yeah, my heads spinning to.) and T-80BVM tanks.

Taken from the Updates in light of Ukraine war Thread these should be here as well.
Don put this in Post 100 of the above thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2doYYblaLFU

I would follow up with the companion "book" version of the same video (And website.) in Post 101 of the above thread.
https://tankrecognition.blogspot.com...cognition.html
My thinking easier to look here then pausing that well done video.

Finally, the following comes from modelers as I also had in the same above thread in Post 91. I will preface the following remarks first my very general observation of a biased opinion that their information isn't a viable source in here from some.

I as having been a modeler of historical military equipment and of course race cars , would disagree with that notion. Generally speaking and the following demonstrates this, we tended to very detailed orientated with a deep sense of history that surrounded the model. It's not the stuff of kids when I first building them in my youth. The deeper appreciation came as a young adult. Just wanted to get that out there. I did appreciate the following work, especially after looking at it, VOLIA, THERE IT WAS IN PICTURES AND VIDEO ON MY SOURCES FOR THE NEWS.

I hope you'll give it a chance because the CAMO is right and it's a good read as well.
https://www.migjimenez.com/img/cms/P...Colors_ENG.pdf

I'm off to get some much needed sleep.

Don we could REALLY use a Rip Van Winkle EMO-G-MO!?!

Good Night Everyone!

Regards,
Pat

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Originally Posted by FASTBOAT TOUGH

I hope you'll give it a chance because the CAMO is right and it's a good read as well.
https://www.migjimenez.com/img/cms/P...Colors_ENG.pdf

I'm off to get some much needed sleep.

Don we could REALLY use a Rip Van Winkle EMO-G-MO!?!

Good Night Everyone!

Regards,
Pat

Yes, I saw that.#3 is already applied to the Ukrainian OOB

[cbreedon]

Looks like Poland is getting some M1's

https://www.defensenews.com/land/202...nks-to-poland/

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Yes but the big question is that a "USA" ready Sep 3 or something a bit less than that ?

For now, I will assume until more info is available that it's closer to what we have as a Sep 2

The suggestion was they could start showing up this year but the whole deal would take 2 years

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

See the source and date. The quote below I've already posted from another source (Janes or Army REC.) about the beginning of last month. SEP 22 if planned for FOC is too soon based on the below if I followed your last post correctly.
Para 2: Is the "Shopping List".
Note: "Proposed Sale/Potential Sale" throughout.

"Implementation of this proposed sale will require approximately (22) U.S. Government and (52) U.S. contractor representatives to travel to Poland for a duration of up to five years to support equipment fielding and training. "
https://www.dsca.mil/press-media/maj...in-battle-tank

We don't just have these tanks lying around, they will have to completely RESET with DU/and any other classified armor on ours along and not limited to the following subsystems such FCS, GPS (We use our own military specific system which I still can't discuss.), Stabilizer, Vision, Comms etc.

For instance, TI/GSR 50 for BOTH the Polish and Taiwanese
M1A2T as one example based on them choosing to buy an earlier GEN system from us or installing their own.

I see the Polish tanks at least 2 years out to FOC minimum, I'd rather be wrong once than finding ourselves chasing FOC dates again over and over again.

Let's not let expectations get ahead of good common sense.

I gotta got ready for work.

Just got this after logging off.

Forget about my 2 years MAYBE...
"The tanks are expected to be delivered to Poland by 2026 and will be deployed in eastern Poland to deter Russia." FROM
https://www.janes.com/defence-news/n...1a2-sepv3-mbts

Regards,
Pat