Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?

[DavidG]

Originally posted by Ragnarok:

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Originally posted by geoschmo:
You guys could always start the game yourselves. Of course you may end up not being matched. You don't know who might have sent an email to Asmala in the mean time that might end up playing against Grazic.

Hmmm, I didn't even think of that. That would work as long as no one else joined or other games have ended that we know about.

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OH well Kazarp def. Phoenix-D. (couple days ago)

[Stone Mill]

Originally posted by Joachim:
Heh KOTH gang - this thread is excellent so I couldn't resist stepping out from behind the peasants and gazing upon the hill in desire...

Gandalph V Joachim

Only done my empire, just waiting on getting to my home 'puter to do the first turn. But, Empire set up was very hard, knowing that it would be quick and nasty makes for a very different empire construction! Hopefully I will learn heaps from you guys as I grub around the bottom of the hill!

Stay tuned for more peasant updates...

Welcome... and I agree with the sound advice offered by Baron and DavidG...

I'm not sure of your skill level, but Gandalph is a player that has come a looong way. If you are a beginner, at the least, you will learn quite a bit from him. There are some common tactics used on KOTH that are pretty well refined... and deadly... but it's about fun and sportsmanship. Good Luck!

[ June 27, 2003, 11:43: Message edited by: Stone Mill ]

[Stone Mill]

Originally posted by Ragnarok:
Ragnarok vs. Mathias_Ice

Game date 2410.7 (Turn 107)- I have officially surrendered to Mathias. I held off as long as I could but he busted through my Last fleet Last turn and I have nothing else. He is blockading my home world and I only have a few colonies left.

Comments - Simply put: wow! This was on heck of a game and I loved every minute of it. It was the most fun losing I've had on the hill. Mathias, you played a great game and I commend you for it. Not too much I can suggest other then what we talked about during the game. Good luck on the crest of the hill!

Asmala, please delete our game and move Mathias up and me back down with the bottom dwellers. Thanks!

Rags,
Now that your match is ended... I would like to offer some thoughts, if I may...

Consider that when an attacker know he has you on the defensive, he smells blood. Especially if he knows his fleets are gaining ground despite some losses. This is a situation of eventual doom.

Consider this- a strategy called "End run," used by some of the pros here (I believe Geo and some others give good accounts). It pretty much entails giving the attacker something to worry about when he thinks he has you down and out (and he does).

This is a low percentage move, but it does throw a wrench in the works. Wage war against the enemy's planets, not his ships. Commit a portion of your defense to offense. Yes this will mean leaving a system defenseless, which you will have to fall back and make a stand deeper with whatever you can... but if you choose not to engage the attacker's fleets and give him some pain, you make the attacker make some interesting choices. You may get him to turn around and chase you. You may frag enough of his planets to hurt his economy... maybe riot... and he won't be able to afford maintanance on his once great fleets.

Anyway... a morsel to consider. Hope you don't mind.

[Joachim]

Thanks for the welcomes.
I did scan through this thread for hints - but as you know it is long. But spotted some cute ideas I will have to put into practice in my other games.
As for Empire set - I'll comment when I run into Gandalph! Turn 4 no discovery... Yet.

[geoschmo]

Geoschmo vs Cheeze, 2406.9

Deja Vu all over again.

For those of you that remember my epic battle with GozGuy this one is shaping up to be something similer. Here's the map.


All the red circles are my systems, although not every one has planets of course. Everything else I assume to be his systems, although probably not all those have planets either.

System A is one of mine for now, but Cheeze has a moderate sized fleet tearing it up and i have little in the way of defenses to stop him. System B is a Cheeze system and I have a large fleet doing the same to him. It's starting to feel like the ring around the rosey that GozGuy and I played for a while.

I believe I have been in first place for every turn, but that hasn't stopped Cheeze from dealing me several serious blows. Capturing planets, wiping out fleets, etc.

If I had to pick, I would say I have a slight advantage at this point. Mainly because I know where his Homesystem is (C) and and I have a pretty good size fleet fairly close to it. I don't know how much he has there to defend it, but I know how much I have, and I know how much he is throwing against me in the North. So for me to still be in first place he can't have all that much anywhere else. At least that's what I am telling myself.

Techwise I'd call it even. He might have a slight edge. Unfortunatly though I have allowed him to live long enough to develop his organic technology. I am starting to see organic armor and some decent Organic weapons. If that trend continues I could have some problems.

He has yet to counter a single intel project that I have thrown at him. Mostly I have been doing nuisance projects so perhaps he has just decided to ignore them. The only one that has failed was a crew insurrection I pulled on a carrier that I blew up in combat the same turn the project completed. Ah well...

Geoschmo

[Ragnarok]

Originally posted by Stone Mill
Rags,
Now that your match is ended... I would like to offer some thoughts, if I may...

Consider that when an attacker know he has you on the defensive, he smells blood. Especially if he knows his fleets are gaining ground despite some losses. This is a situation of eventual doom.

Consider this- a strategy called "End run," used by some of the pros here (I believe Geo and some others give good accounts). It pretty much entails giving the attacker something to worry about when he thinks he has you down and out (and he does).

This is a low percentage move, but it does throw a wrench in the works. Wage war against the enemy's planets, not his ships. Commit a portion of your defense to offense. Yes this will mean leaving a system defenseless, which you will have to fall back and make a stand deeper with whatever you can... but if you choose not to engage the attacker's fleets and give him some pain, you make the attacker make some interesting choices. You may get him to turn around and chase you. You may frag enough of his planets to hurt his economy... maybe riot... and he won't be able to afford maintanance on his once great fleets.

Anyway... a morsel to consider. Hope you don't mind.

I will have to remember those tips. I certainly do not mind at all and maybe they will help me get above the middle of the hill (haven't been further then there) sometime. I have a book writtin on KOTH stratagies basically that I look at every now and then to find new tips for myself. Its came in handy a couple times now.

[Slynky]

Originally posted by geoschmo:
Geoschmo vs Cheeze, 2406.9

Ahhhh, a MAP! Makes understanding things so much easier.

I see you have the lion's share of the galaxy but it's hard to tell what kind of planets Cheese has sunk his teeth into.

Also, interesting that Cheese is organic (pardon the pun).

Sounds like the game has some give and take in it even after Cheese's original comments that things didn't look so good.

[Slynky]

Originally posted by Ragnarok:

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Originally posted by Stone Mill
Rags,
Now that your match is ended... I would like to offer some thoughts, if I may...

I certainly do not mind at all and maybe they will help me get above the middle of the hill (haven't been further then there) sometime.

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I certainly don't want it to seem as if I think I know it all ('cause I don't) and I certainly don't want Mathias to think all the tips to you are because we wanted you to win (it's really because you just wrote the most)...so...having said that, I'll ask this:

Since you had the tech advantage, were you in a position to convert some research to resource producers? Even 80's and 90's would have helped, I'm thinking.

[Ragnarok]

Originally posted by Slynky:

Since you had the tech advantage, were you in a position to convert some research to resource producers? Even 80's and 90's would have helped, I'm thinking.

I used just about everything for resources towards the end. I had some 50's and a couple 40's out there. I probably could've converted some research centers into resource producers I just didn't. Just 1 of many mistakes I made during this game.

[Asmala]

The KOTH page is now updated and new games created. I'll be out of town and unable to reach net till Tuesday so you'll have to wait till that before I can kick off the games.