Completely OT : Cannes, Mickael Moore and the Iraq War

[Will]

Just a question, regarding "Bowling for Columbine" for those who have seen it... when I saw it, I really did not come away with any anti-NRA feelings at all. Opponents of the documentary seem to cite the anti-NRA message a lot, especially the sliced-and-diced interview with Charlton Heston. I didn't really think it made him into a defenseless target, since (IIRC) he was just portrayed as refusing to discuss about a situation with a child being killed with a gun while having no prior knowledge of the specific case.

What I did come away with was what I thought was the central thesis to the film: many problems in the US, with guns and other things, has mainly to do with the constant fear-mongering by the political and media systems. Did anyone else come away from it with the same message?

And AT, I do hope that you eventually go see F9/11. As long as you know the (apparent) bias in the film, you will come away with a better understanding of the viewpoints opposite of your own, and can then strengthen or amend your own views based on that knowledge.

[Atrocities]

Damn it! I missed the season finally of the Shield!

[Unknown_Enemy]

Originally posted by Will:
What I did come away with was what I thought was the central thesis to the film: many problems in the US, with guns and other things, has mainly to do with the constant fear-mongering by the political and media systems. Did anyone else come away from it with the same message?

Very glad to find someone from the same advice as me. It really seemed to me the film was more a charge versus US media system than versus the NRA.

[Fyron]

There was definitely a pot shot taken against Charleton Heston, but the film as a whole had nothing to do with the NRA.

[Slynky]

Originally posted by Atrocities:
Damn it! I missed the season finally of the Shield!

In Atlanta, it comes on 2 more days (our recorder missed the Last minute!)

[dogscoff]

Very glad to find someone from the same advice as me. It really seemed to me the film was more a charge versus US media system than versus the NRA.

Yes, it was, definitely. It's raises some very interesting questions about why gun crime is so high in the USA, when other countries with similar gun ownership laws and levels - Canada being the prime example - have figures so much lower.

Moore himself is a gun-owner who goes hunting and for a long time was a fully paid up member of the NRA. He only started attacking Heston because he objected to the policy of holding huge pro-gun rallies immediately after school-massacres in the towns where the killings had taken place. Some kid would shoot a bunch of students and teachers, and within a week Heston would be in that same town waving his gun around and making contraversial speeches. Of course he has every right to make those speeches, but the insensitivity of his timing is just mind-boggling.

It wasn't the guns that Moore objected to wrt heston, it was the fact that he showed such a blatant lack of compassion.

And just for the record, i get a good laugh every time I hear someone on this thread mention the president of the NRA and the word "defenceless" in the same sentence.

[Sinapus]

Originally posted by dogscoff:
He only started attacking Heston because he objected to the policy of holding huge pro-gun rallies immediately after school-massacres in the towns where the killings had taken place.

That's actually a deliberate lie on the part of Moore. The NRA didn't "decide" to hold a rally after the shootings. They merely held a business meeting that they have to hold every year and had been scheduled for months in advance.

Some kid would shoot a bunch of students and teachers, and within a week Heston would be in that same town waving his gun around and making contraversial speeches. Of course he has every right to make those speeches, but the insensitivity of his timing is just mind-boggling.

If you mean the "from my cold, dead hands" remark, that was another lie by Moore. Heston said that many months after Columbine, in another state. Moore spliced the quotes together to make it look like he said it at the meeting.

It wasn't the guns that Moore objected to wrt heston, it was the fact that he showed such a blatant lack of compassion.

Since the "lack of compassion" Moore objected to is a product of his own dishonesty, I don't find that acceptable.
Truth about Bowling for Columbine

Moore is a liar. You fell for it. End of Story.

[ June 17, 2004, 15:45: Message edited by: Sinapus ]

[rextorres]

Sinapus,

Bush has been doing the same sorts things in his political commercials that you claim Moore is doing in Bowling for Columbine. Are you prepared to call Bush a liar as well?

Anyway here is an interesting rebuttal to your link.

http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2003/8/12/171427/607

[ June 17, 2004, 17:32: Message edited by: rextorres ]

[Atrocities]

Guys lets keep it on a sensable level and all remember that no jubject is worth loosing our cool over. Remember if people on the web PYO, then you take the internet far too seriously.

[AMF]

Who's losing their cool?

Originally posted by Atrocities:
Guys lets keep it on a sensable level and all remember that no jubject is worth loosing our cool over. Remember if people on the web PYO, then you take the internet far too seriously.