So how 'bout those Mets?

[Stormbinder]

actually, all he said was that he only told his side of the story to a few people. and now, thanks to your jumping all over that little post of his, he certainly isnt going to tell the rest of us his most likely interesting but truthless story.

LOL. He specificaly said in his post that he is not going to share his "story" with us, and will prohibit his "friends" from doing so. But if you really believe it exist, you can always send him PM and ask him to tell it to you.

Alright I think there has been enough petty childishness (emphasis on petty).

If I have to hear about Zapmeisters proclaiming adulation for the anti-Norfleet Jerry Falwell Church of Stormbinder, Stormbinder's obvious not-enough-attention-as-a-child complex or Cainehill's not-so-teen angst for purely the sake of each of them instead of for any good reason, I'll have to vomit.

Norfleet, do us a favor and stop dragging your corpse up off the ground after proclaiming yourself DOA. One or the other please, rest in peace or ooze from the grave to haunt your enemies with a vengance I don't really care which at this point, but this dying down, then rekindling is getting annoying and for me, tiring.

[Zapmeister]

If I have to hear about Zapmeisters proclaiming adulation for the anti-Norfleet Jerry Falwell Church of Stormbinder

C'mon Zen, I'm not that bad.

C'mon Zen, I'm not that bad.

Then where is my $150.00 donation?! Heavenly Flames were supposed to cure me of baldness and halitosis. Huh?! By Rickirack I'll give you a good sheared Sheap for peace of mind! Where is the salvation!

Or not

[Sheap]

Zen I think you are a little confused. After shearing, you keep the sheap, but give the wool away.

That's true. I was caught in the holy revelation of pure truth and divinity of purpose there for a moment and lost my head. I would never give away my dancing, prancing, M-80, hung like a donkey, ewe-gigalo, fancyboy Sheap! Back you Zealots, to the Scientoligists with you!

[archaeolept]

At this point, I am sufficiently bitter as to be considered inedible.

lol

[LintMan]

Wow, I'm gone from the forum for a few days playing Doom 3, and all hell breaks loose!

I don't condone cheating in MP (and I can't think of any reasonable/likely alternate explanation), but I still feel obligated to say thanks to Norfleet for his very many helpful Posts here on this forum, particularly those in response to my own (sometimes lengthy) series of detailed questions, from which I've learned a lot about the game.

Cheezeninja wrote:

Well. Well indeed.
I've been gone for the Last few days and i come back and we have a huge rigamahoopshamwamdingle. Of course i can't resist the urge to add my two cents, although i'll try my best to remain ...well... i suppose i'll try to remain honest to myself.

On Norfleets cheating:
Between Norfleets early defensive bs, the factual numbers, and Norfleets hasty exit, the case seems pretty clear at this point. Norfleet was cheating. Obviously its not the end of the world, and while its important to find out how he did it so it could be fixed, i dont think it necessarily follows that he should be Banned forever. I liked Norfleet. Despite his arrogance he could be quite funny, and helpful as well, and he would obviously know more about fixing these cheats/glitches than most others. While most games and forums might ban a player for his first infraction, i'd think that most people would agree that both this game and this forum are like no other. I could definetly see conditional parole for Norfleet were he to help fix whatever glitch or weakness he is exploiting. Obviously many people here would no longer want him in their games, and its equally obvious many people are going to be watching their games like a hawk in an effort to prevent any future cheating.

On the subject of Stormbinder:
Yes, you were right, we all know it, even if some of us refuse to admit it. Norfleet cheated, and you proved it and got one up on him. You came off very unctous and lowball doing it though. Now im not trying to insult you, though i understand how it could be taken as such... but you could have gone about this in an entirely different way. I could practically hear the snickers you must have been holding back in both your original post and your post with the actual numbers, you were OBVIOUSLY very happy to be destroying Norfleet on this forum, and that bothered me nearly as much as Norfleets cheating. In the end the cold hard truth is that you did this community a great service in exposing a cheater who was willing to exploit the game and others so he could lord it over us all, and i thank you for it.... But dont expect me to have to like you for it.

On the subject of the powers that be:
I have on occasion been given to think that sometimes certain Moderators come off as arrogant and dissmisive to those that havn't been around as long as they have, but on the whole i find all the seniority around here to be helpful, polite, and fairly open minded about any issues that come up. I can see why they locked the original post about the cheating, but im not sure i agree with it... Locking a corpse in a closet just means its going to stink that much more when it finally does come out in the open, and with an issue that is as serious as this and strikes so deeply as this issue does.... some negativity and displeasure is bound to be voiced. And i dont believe that should be a problem. It will be a sad state of affairs when we are no longer allowed to vocally make our displeasure known about something... attempting to lock down threads about an issue as important to MP games as cheating is just going to start ugly talk of censorship on top of the whole cheating issue. All in all, kudo's to you for paying attention and lavishing your time on this wonderful game.

I've been following this story with morbid interest, but haven't posted because I've been unable to articulate exactly how I feel about all this. I agree with everything Cheeze wrote, except the "arrogant" bit. I think Zen has made the right decisions in a difficult situation, and I thank him for the effort he's put in to the forum. Not sure what's with the drug-crazed stream of consciousness stuff a couple of Posts ago though. Is the strain finally telling?

[Esben Mose Hansen]

Alright I think there has been enough petty childishness (emphasis on petty).

If I have to hear about Zapmeisters proclaiming adulation for the anti-Norfleet Jerry Falwell Church of Stormbinder, Stormbinder's obvious not-enough-attention-as-a-child complex or Cainehill's not-so-teen angst for purely the sake of each of them instead of for any good reason, I'll have to vomit.

Norfleet, do us a favor and stop dragging your corpse up off the ground after proclaiming yourself DOA. One or the other please, rest in peace or ooze from the grave to haunt your enemies with a vengance I don't really care which at this point, but this dying down, then rekindling is getting annoying and for me, tiring.

Zen, you are way over the line. Please, the ball, not the man. I've reported the above post to the Moderators --- though I know you are yourself one