Perpetuality - 62 Player MegaGame (Finished!)

[Hadrian_II]

Armaggeddon kills just 20% of armies and population (but not in every province) so its much uglyer than most other spells, as all other spells can be dispelled, armaggeddon does his damage and thats it. (and it has the quality to be casted on defeat to annoy everyone else)

[Xietor]

Umm no Velusion. You should not be finding a sub for LA Rlyeh. You are at war with them. That is what is called a conflict of interest. When a conflict of interest arises, most judges recuse themselves from the case.

Since I am already LA Rlyeh's supposed ally, I will do their turn for them until I can find a sub. You all should not have any objection to that since we are already "sharing information" and they are "casting mind hunts for me."

I suggest a 24 hour delay to hosting until this is resolved. LA Rlyeh is a super power in the game and it is going to be tainted if they stale turn. LA Ermor has already taken advantage of LA Rlyeh's stale turn to rape MA Vanheim-if the graphs are accurate.

If the game is delayed 24 hours, I can find a quality replacement for LA Rlyeh. One that will impartially serve LA Rlyeh's interests, not LA Ermor and LA Atlantis' interests.

[jutetrea]

There will be NO (Zero, Zip, Zilch) delays for absences until we are down to 15 or less players. I highly recommend you ask around and find a temporary substitute if you plan on being gone for an extended time.

Due to the number of players I will be rather ruthless in enforcing the stale rule. No one will stale more than twice in a row before they are replaced or put on AI unless they let me know beforehand. If you let me know you will be gone you will not be replaced but the game will not be held up for you.

Why isn't this still in effect? Finding a sub is good, but a stale or two won't kill him.

[solo]

I believe Velusion is just adhering to and enforcing the game rules set forth in the first post regarding zero tolerance for delays.

The game's rules for stale turns should apply equally to all players, regardless of their strength or influence. Making any exception, especially one for a dominant player, is unfair to others who have staled and is bound to benefit some players and confound others, depending on their positions. Sticking to the game rules is the only impartial course of action.

[Xietor]

Actually, if you read the entire post, the reason for the no delay rule was there were 62 players. The game, while still huge, has fewer players.

And the fact is if MA Ctis staled a few turns, it would not affect the outcome of the game at all. But LA Ermor and LA Rlyeh occupy unique positions. And I think we all know that.

With so many nations already eliminated or on ai, will a 24 hour delay hurt so a sub can be found for one of the 2 superpowers? And believe it or not, my position would be the same if Velusion needed to delay host 24 hours for his own benefit.

I have suggested a sub already to velusion. One who I believe is above reproach and has a great reputation on the board. But even if he accepts(have not heard from him yet as to his interest), he would need at least 24 hours to acclimate himself to the game.

Evilhomer, if you are out there, give me your proxy for finding you a sub! And hurry. The clock is ticking.

[solo]

The rules state that the threshold is 15 remaining players before timeouts will be taken to find subs.

Personally, it does not matter to me whether there is a delay to find a sub, and in retrospect, it probably would have been better to set this threshold a bit higher or to have defined it differently.

The intention of my post was to point out that Velusion could not be accused of serving his own interests by just enforcing the rules we began the game with. In all his games in which I have particpated, I have found his conduct as host to be admirable and beyond reproach.

Finally, a look at the status page now shows a completed move for LA R'Iyeh, so R'Iyeh will not stale this turn. Perhaps in spite of his illness, Folket felt well enough to prevent R'Iyeh from staling by completing a move.

[Xietor]

Agreed Solo.

Sometimes my words coma across like a war hammer instead of a dove. I in fact did not mean to imply Velusion was doing anything underhanded. As I told him privately, he has done a wonderful service to Dominions III in hosting this game. And I feel it will have far reaching, or should have far reaching, implications.

But I do think a 24 hour pause at this point in the game, where half of the 62 players are dead or on AI, and even more are staling or have no hope, would be in the game's best interests. And I wish to reiterate, if I was going to stale, I would not even bother to ask for a 24 hour delay because it would be a minor event in the big picture.

[Xietor]

I have been appointed to find a sub for LA Rlyeh. To preserve the integrity of the game, I am not going to look at the turn as long as I am given 24 hours to find a capable sub.

If I was not honest, I would just do LA Rlyeh's turns and keep my mouth shut. But I am honest, and I will look to find an impartial player who most people know and respect.

My 1st choice is Llamabeast. I have not heard from him though. If the game is not delayed by 24 hours, and I can not find a good sub, I will be forced to look at his turn and play it.

I will promise in the event that occurs, to state that it has occurred. Under no circumstance will I transfer any items, gold, or gems to any other nation including mine. Or cast any spells on any of the nations in my part of the world that would aid MA Ctis in my own personal war.

In the meantime, I will try and get llamabeast to play the turn. If he will not play it I will, I promise to find a sub before the next turn takes place. If I do play the turn, I will allow gandalf to look at the LA Rlyeh turn file to ascertain that I did nothing improper.

And for the record-I was never LA Rlyeh's ally. We just have a common enemy.

[Velusion]

Xietor,

I really appreciate your help looking for a sub. I know you are just trying to help but...

As per the Velusion's Games Thread:
...playing two nations in the same game is strictly forbidden.

You'll also find that trying to play two nations with the same Cd-Key will make one or both nations stale when the turn hosts.

I assume you are the one that completed LA R'lyeh's turn so I'm going to delete that submitted turn from the server to comply with the rules and to insure that your primary nation doesn't stale!

I fully support you in finding a sub though! Once you have someone please have him post in this thread.

[Xietor]

No, I did not even look at the turn.