Bug: Bug Thread: Discussion

[Loren]

I thought it was dead but it's not. It was killed IIRC with 3.08, then came back in 3.10 and I'm looking at it right now in 3.14.

[ano]

Twiceborn spell works on demons. Moreover, if they die on friendly dominion, they still have it in effect. This seems to be a very serious bug.

[Reay]

The 'y' fix listed in the bug fixes for the current patch only seems to be half working.

Currently you can not see the position of an already existing unit in a province when you select the province and press y. You can only see the position of units moving into that province.

However, you can change the position of an already existing unit in a province after pressing 'y'. The units position just won't show up until you go into the army setup for the same province instead of pressing 'y'.

[Olive]

From the bug shortlist thread :

VANISHING SCALES: The infamous and elusive vanishing scales bug from Dom2. Strages Sanctus has managed to create a situation where this issue is 100% reproducible and has included the relevant files. Link. An older report/discussion regarding the Dom2 version is here, but it is obsolete now. UPDATE! CAUSE ISOLATED! The Vanishing Scales bug is caused by a corrupted geotable, which tells the game what provinces are neighbors. A corrupted geotable will cause ghost neighbors, which cause the problem.

I've this in all my new games and it really hurts the first years.

What's the meaning of "Corrupted geotable" ? Is this the effect of a corrupted install, so I could fix it by editing/removing a file, or reinstalling the game, or do I have to wait a patch ?

[Endoperez]

Olive said:I've this in all my new games and it really hurts the first years.

What's the meaning of "Corrupted geotable" ? Is this the effect of a corrupted install, so I could fix it by editing/removing a file, or reinstalling the game, or do I have to wait a patch ?

I understand it had to do with the number of neighbours. I don't remember the exact details, but it only appeared if there were more than 6 or 7 neighbours for a given province. This happens because something (geotable?) doesn't work as it should.

[vfb]

It happens when there are more than 6 neighbors to your province. I think this bug is fixed in Dom3.14, isn't it?

You can solve the problem by getting positive dominion in either neighbor 1 or 7 of the province with the problem. That's according to neighbor order in the map file.

The corrupt geotable problem occurs when you started a game in Dom3 without exiting the game first. The geotable holds province neighbors, and it will hold ghost neighbors from the previous game. The neighbor list is truncated with a zero, but the scales code ignored that zero terminator.

In short, there's not much you can do if you're still seeing the bug, other than get white candles in your neighbors. That's not an instant fix either, but your scales will eventually return.

[Olive]

I'm runnind dom 3.14

Yes, with many neighbours and big scales loss, scales returns, but it takes lot of turns.

Even with 4/5 neighbours it seems to happen, but effects are much less important. I've tested with Bogarus and scales O3 P3 C3 G3 L3 M1, on turn 2 I have O2 PO2 C3 G3 L3 M1.

[Edi]

Kaljamaha and I are having a little test game and his Heat 0 MA Ermor is getting all kinds of heat even in midwinter in several provinces.

I haven't seen any anomalous scales yet myself, but I'll be keeping an eye on this.

[Endoperez]

Olive said:
I'm runnind dom 3.14

Yes, with many neighbours and big scales loss, scales returns, but it takes lot of turns.

Even with 4/5 neighbours it seems to happen, but effects are much less important. I've tested with Bogarus and scales O3 P3 C3 G3 L3 M1, on turn 2 I have O2 PO2 C3 G3 L3 M1.

I think the scale-loss bug meant that you lost ALL your positive scales. That is, you'd have C3 on turn 2. I never suffered much from it (probably because I mostly play on smaller maps, which rarely have lots of connections), so I could be wrong, but I distinctly remember that people complained of losing all of their Order, or Magic, or Growth. This could be new form of the old bug, or some other bug, though.


EDIT:

Edi said:
Kaljamaha and I are having a little test game and his Heat 0 MA Ermor is getting all kinds of heat even in midwinter in several provinces.

I haven't seen any anomalous scales yet myself, but I'll be keeping an eye on this.

Could it be that Midwinter is actually considered summer? I think the "midwinter/summer was celebrated in the province" events have been switched around for a long time, offuring on the opposite turn.

Also, MA Abysia has the old DomII dominion effect that spreads Heat even outside his dominion. Could that be the cause?

[Zeldor]

Is it normal to have missing scales in dominion strength 8? I have Order 1 [instead of 3], Prof 1 [2], Heat 2 [0, winter, I have even 1 in my capitol, dom str 8, winter there too], Growth 1 [2]. That is MP game on llamaserver, so 1.4 patch applied.