Challenge Match - Page 15

Gryphin · #**141** April 29th, 2003, 06:33 PM

Slynky the 21 inch monitor is belongs to Pooh Star,(my sweet heart). It was a hand me down from her X. He felt he needed something bigger.

It is both a blessing and a curse. At reading distance from the screen I can only see about 5 inches across, (tunnel vison). That is why Pooh Star had to find the Master Password field.

How's the game so far?

Slynky · #**142** April 29th, 2003, 07:03 PM

Greetings all: (well, all the participants and our illustrious map maker

)

There seems to be a problem with the map and the setup.

All the empires of the Black Hole Alliance have now compared their starting positions and determined starting setup has a fault in it.

You know how, when you start out sometimes, you receive "free" scans of nearby systems? Well, I am virtually sure that one empire is inter-mixed with another empire of the opposing team. In fact, it appears one of the enemy homeworlds is completely surrounded by one of our empires.

That doesn't seem like a fair start for that person especially since another of our alliance members is only 4 systems away from both of them.

It also doesn't seem to reflect the map setup and starting positions we wanted to have for the challenge match.

I suspect the problem is that we joined in a different order than our proposed alliances. By that, I mean all of one alliance should join and then the other. It appears empires are assigned to starting points in some sort of contiguous manner.

Anyway, what do you guys think? To me, it only seems fair, especially the one empire of the Olden Ones caught in "inside" one of our (and a second empire so close), to exit the game, start another one, join in alliance order and generate a new map.

Comments?

geoschmo · #**143** April 29th, 2003, 07:07 PM

Actually the player you have surounded has the same view of a couple systems around and we had determined the same thing ourselves and notified Gryphin. He is going to fix it tonight and restart the game.

We are in agreement it's not really fair, although we thought it was unfair to your guy who was going to be picked apart one homeworld at a time.

Edit: If your theory as to the cause is correct, and it sounds reasonable, Gryphin can fix it my merely changing the number of the starting positions on the map. We don't need to be reordered in the the game.

Although, he may want to make a completely new map, or at least make six new starting positions so we don't all have knowledge of each others positions from this mistart.

Geoschmo

[ April 29, 2003, 18:11: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

Slynky · #**144** April 29th, 2003, 07:18 PM

Well, I guess it's a toss-up on just who was going to chew on whom. With another empire just 4 systems away, your person would be in trouble (unless, of course, another empire in your alliance were close by...and if that's the case, then the starting homeworld positions, which were supposed to put 3 empires on one side of the map and 3 on the other side of the map weren't done as well as it should have been...since there would be 4 empires on the left side of the map).

At any rate, everyone agrees that the starting homeworld placement got messed up. Are we to assume it has to do with the order we joined the game? If so, I suggest geo withdraw from the game and then re-join. That should put us in alliance order.

Oh, and IF I was correct about there being 4 empires on the left, the homeworld starting positions should be modified a bit.

Perhaps a new map should be rolled up. I say a new map because it's possible a person could have chosen Ancient abilities, now has a copy of the map (and planets and warp lines) and can then turn around and use those 1,000 points somewhere else while keeping a copy of the galaxy information. Not that anyone would cheat...but just to remove all doubt (after all, that's why we asked for a map generator...

)

Comments?

geoschmo · #**145** April 29th, 2003, 07:36 PM

It's easier for Gryphin to just reorder the map starting positions or make a new map entirely then for me to withdraw and rejoin.

And I don't think anyone should or needs to be changing their empires. Gryphin can just restart the game using the exsisting empire files we've already uploaded.

Geoschmo

[ April 29, 2003, 18:37: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

Slynky · #**146** April 29th, 2003, 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by geoschmo:
It's easier for Gryphin to just reorder the map starting positions or make a new map entirely then for me to withdraw and rejoin.

And I don't think anyone should or needs to be changing their empires. Gryphin can just restart the game using the exsisting empire files we've already uploaded.

Geoschmo

That's fine if it works that way. And, in this matter, I show (more of) my ignorance. You see, I'm worried that all you can do is specify that a particular system is a starting place for an empire. And that SE4 will just grab the empires and put them in any of the designated places without regard to what team they are on.

NOW,IF a person can specify that a particular system is a homeworld position AND that it should be used for a particular empire or team, then obviously the map can be adjusted and no one needs to leave the game and return. BUT, is that the way it works? I'm only asking because I don't know and just assumed all one could do was mark a system as a starting location.

[ April 29, 2003, 18:45: Message edited by: Slynky ]

Gryphin · #**147** April 29th, 2003, 07:44 PM

Yipes! I'll have Pooh Star help me track it though I was sure I did it right.

No later than 6:30 tonight.

geoschmo · #**148** April 29th, 2003, 07:58 PM

The map editor allows you to do either. You can mark a system as a "common" starting point, meaning anyone can start there. Those show up in the map editor as boxes with the word any in them. Or you can set it as a "specfic" starting point. In that case you specify the player number for each starting point. In this case Gryphin should be setting specfic starting points. 1, 3, and 4 on one side of the map, and 2, 5 and 6 on the other.

Geoschmo

Slynky · #**149** April 29th, 2003, 08:03 PM

See? Told ya I was showing my ignorance! Well, that's pretty kewl. Yep, probably easier to just make some map modifications and adjust team/empire starting positions to put one team on the left side of the map and the other on the right side.

One more question: So, after designating a system as a starting position, does SE4 THEN decide it can split that person's worlds up among one, two, or three different systems? My starting position was in 2 systems and another person's was in 3 systems. So, what governs that?

geoschmo · #**150** April 29th, 2003, 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Slynky:
One more question: So, after designating a system as a starting position, does SE4 THEN decide it can split that person's worlds up among one, two, or three different systems? My starting position was in 2 systems and another person's was in 3 systems. So, what governs that?

That's a little fuzzy. It seems to me to be kind of random. You will have one Homeworld at the spot specified in the editor, but you can't specify additional homeworlds. Sometimes they'll be in different systems, sometiems all in one system. I don't know how it decides.

Geoschmo