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[Ragnars Wolves]

I have no dog in this fight so I asked my Dad (GrudgeBringer) who used to almost exclusively play EA Arco about the Skeptics.

His answer did surprise me.

He said that he also used Skeptics as scouts but had to be very aware that the "Usual' rule of thumb was....ANY Mage, Priest, or troop of any kind that can do harm to another nation in any way in the other nations territory could be considered an act of war.

So, I asked a specific Question about skeptics. His reply was that skeptics hurt domain and cause unrest. He would try and get by with one or two as scouts but if caught he would have to make some diplomatic amends and at times was summarily attacked with out warning.

So while it doesn't sound like you meant any harm or knew any one would take it that way. It did sound as you meant to run skeptics knowing they would lower Domain.

I am not suggesting he attack you, but now I guess If I found skeptics (OR a stone idol etc) in my domain, I would probably demand compensation or attack (LOL, or cry).

I didn't know Arco had so many small weapons at its command.

[Finalgenesis]

Originally Posted by Groundworm

And the forts... forts hardly seem like an aggressive action, being that most people put them up throughout their territory in order to recruit. And especially on border provinces, purely for defense. This point I most strongly refute as evidence of aggression towards you.

Extracted from our post:

"followed by infiltration of multiple sceptic into our lands and forts to subvert dominion."

Our lands and our forts, meaning your sceptic sitting on our forts to attack dominion and create unrest. Building forts and temples along borders are definitely fair game and not considered an overt act of aggression.

[nrasch]

I'd like to quickly compliment everyone in the previous NAP discussions on being so mature and reasonable. I can't count the number of times I've seen those kind of posts degrade into trash talking, junior high affairs.

So, well done, and thanks for keeping our game friendly and fun. I even got to learn something as to what might be considered aggressive.

Thanks!
Nathan

[Ragnars Wolves]

LOL, now I have to agree with Groundworm on forts...It IS his territory and if he wants to build forts, I would say that is his perogitive. Just because he MIGHT make and send skeptics from them doesn't mean anything....Oh, just found out another thing about skeptics, just because they are YOUR skeptics, they will screw up YOUR unrest and domain also. So you see, that is why sketics are considered a possible declaration of war. Why build them if your not going to send them anywhere. I guess it is kind of like holding in football...until you get caught there is no penalty, but once you do, it could be a big one.

[Finalgenesis]

The passage in question:

Originally Posted by Finalgenesis

blah blah...

1st the overwrite of our enchantment, followed by infiltration of multiple sceptic into our lands and forts to subvert dominion.

... blah blah

Now I'm not sure whether it's my poor grammar or the reading comprehension of the readers . But nowhere did I say that building forts on your own land is a breach of NAP, so please, stop putting words in my mouth.

I believe the problem arises from:

Originally Posted by Finalgenesis

...followed by infiltration of multiple sceptic into our lands and forts to subvert dominion...

Maybe this will help:

Originally Posted by Finalgenesis

...followed by infiltration of multiple sceptic into our lands and ->OUR<- forts to subvert dominion...

Meaning, insertion of sceptics into our (Yomi's) fort to attack our dominion, NOT building your own fort on your own province to subvert our dominion. And really, forts don't spread dominion...

[Ragnars Wolves]

NO...but the temples associated with them do.

Sorry, I was just putting my take on forts and skeptics...I will stay out of your guys discussion.

[Lihaässä]

Anyone missing their turn file? I got the below message from turns@llamaserver.net and I'm not in this game.

@Admin - could you check that I'm not on the list receiving the turnfiles?

Hello from the LlamaServer!

This message is just to let you know that I just received a 2h file from you, and it seems to be fine. However, I already received a 2h file from you for the same turn. I'll assume that this newer file is a revised version, and use it instead.

If you sent both this and the previous 2h file within a minute or two of each other, there's some possibility that they arrived in the wrong order. Just to check I'm using the correct one, here's a couple of details of the message that arrived last:

Subject: Re: New turn file: Kindanew, Ulm turn 48
Date sent: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 15:06:17 -0800

If you don't want me to use the 2h file from this e-mail - send your new 2h again!

Game details:

Game name: Kindanew
Nation: Early Era Ulm
Turn number: 48

Who's sent their turn in:
Oceania 2h file received
Yomi Waiting for 2h file
Marverni 2h file received
Abysia 2h file received
Arcoscephale Waiting for 2h file
Ulm 2h file received

The turn will process when all 2h files have been received, or at the latest at 16:15 GMT on Wednesday January 12th.

You can check this information at any time at www.llamaserver.net.

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Problems, questions or suggestions? E-mail llamabeast@llamaserver.net.

[mockingbird]

Last I checked, it looked like this game might be stalled on Llamaserver. Could one of the admins look into that, please?

Thanks.

[Finalgenesis]

Good enough, kindanoob game and we're all learning as we go along.

And yes Grudgebringer's understanding in NAP is essentially what I get in the past few MP games I played in, basically revolves around the term "Non-aggression", scouting / obtaining info = not aggressive, attacking dom/unrest = aggressive, targetting another players global specifically = aggressive, I think it's pretty self-evident and I hope we have a common understanding on NAP.

I would ask for 50F as compensation for the overwrite on the pyre though, which I would think is more then reasonable.

To peace then (?).

[Groundworm]

I will walk away from this game with a new understanding of exactly what constitutes breach of a NAP, and this will serve me well in future games.

Can we compromise on the compensation you're due? 25 fire gems?