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March 23rd, 2023, 06:56 PM
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Re: MBT's
There is absolutely NO WAY to know what it is they are going to pull out of storage and we could go round and round speculating and it's only good for wasting time. I am still playing " wait and see " and I am NOT committing to anything but the last "top of the line" T-55 version and that all could change in an instant.
It won't get really interesting until they commit the Cossack cavalry. Nothing like a good old sabre charge to signal you've hit rock bottom
I see a few more of Putins "allies" have been found dead. Guessing nobody who said this was a great idea and it will all be over in a week or two are still breathing
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March 23rd, 2023, 07:27 PM
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Re: MBT's
This is a short movie 5min from 2008 movie called Admiral. Here we can see how rock buttom looks like during Civil war. Now this is sad when we think how this human wave strategy is used 100 years after this events
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWPbLTSD01o
Between actually situation and rock bottom are still
Ceremonial T-34 & Su-100
IS-3 & T10 from museums
But propably you have right actual Russia is doomed like White army hundreds years ago whatever museum equipment they will take out from storages.
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March 24th, 2023, 05:46 AM
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It's not really clear to me ( eyes are not what they once were.......)but does that T-55 show advanced ERA panels in the front armour ?
Found this quote
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T-55M5 (Ob'yekt 155M5) – This modernization kit adds convex explosive reactive armour "Kontakt-5" panels around turret front, armour panel on glacis plate, a longer hull, a new style fire control equipment with stabilized TVK-3 and TKN-1SM sights for the gunner and commander, an improved V-55U engine (or V-46-5M) and a main gun stabilization system. The original 100 mm D-10T2S gun is maintained. Combat weight is less than 40 tonnes.
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March 24th, 2023, 12:16 PM
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In short, I believe an armor application doesn't look standard ERA type it seems " too flat" but I certainly can see the lines of tiles on this tank I'm thinking applique armor tiles.
Did some further digging, Look at the following under Protection.
https://weaponsystems.net/system/630-T-55
(All steel.)
https://weaponsystems.net/system/631-T-55AM
(First mention-Steel plus applique armor)
https://weaponsystems.net/system/632-T-55AMV
(Armor type Steel plus ERA, rubber skirts ERA
Kontakt-1 on glacis, hull sides and turret)
So based on the above, the T-55 posted is certainly a T-55AM tank.
As the above T-55AMV will show all variants listed with that tank had the same additional armor as I listed under the entry in the ( ) .
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March 24th, 2023, 12:27 PM
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Re: MBT's
T-55M5 has an reactive armour on front look on this photos
https://www.militaryimages.net/media/t-55m5.32045/
This tank was in reality prepared by Russian tanks industry in 2001 for Third World users of T-55 and never intended for their army but now when they use whatever they can is possible that also such T-55 will be used on frontline.
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March 24th, 2023, 12:40 PM
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Alight T-55M in upgraded version of the T-55AMV. See the below and scroll down the Variants section and see what it says about the BOTH above.
http://www.military-today.com/tanks/t55.htm
Never mind I'll do it.
" T-55AMV fitted with add-on explosive reactive armor and new fire control system. It is capable of launching anti-tank guided missiles in the same manner as ordinary projectiles. The missile has a range of 4 000 m at daytime and 1 200 m at night. It penetrates 550 mm of rolled homogenous armor. It entered service in 1985.
T-55M upgraded version fitted with add-on composite armor and rubber side skirts. The gun is fitted with a thermal sleeve. This tank entered service in 1983. " That means Russian.
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March 24th, 2023, 12:57 PM
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This T-55M5&T-55M6 are actually a ultimate retrofiting of old T-55 here acording to Tank Encyklopedia
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T-55M5
This is an “upgrade kit” aimed for export to all previous T-55/T-55A customers. This package includes “Kontakt-5” ERA panels, longer chassis, stabilized TVK-3 and TKN-1SM sights, upgraded main gun stabilization system for the 100 mm (3.94 in) D-10T2S, and the new V-55U engine or V-46-5M as an option for more mobility. The combat weight was less than 40 tons.
T-55M6
The latest upgrade, both for the Russian army and export, includes a longer chassis with six roadwheels per side, a completely overhauled turret with the 2A46M 125 mm (4.92 in) main gun and autoloader from the T-72B, V-46-5M engine and protection upgraded to the T-80U level. As an option, it could receive the 1A40-1 fire control system and ATGM system 9K120 “Svir” (from the T-72B), or A42 and 9K119 “Refleks” (from the T-80U).
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March 25th, 2023, 01:14 AM
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I use that source as well and it's a good one. I would suggest you count the road wheels from the pictures you originally submitted.
I'm counting six road wheels unless I'm missing something here that would make this tank the T-55M6.
I'm referring to your Posts 1581 & 1584
"T-55M6
The latest upgrade, both for the Russian army and export, includes a longer chassis with six roadwheels per side, a completely overhauled turret with the 2A46M 125 mm (4.92 in) main gun and autoloader from the T-72B, V-46-5M engine and protection upgraded to the T-80U level. As an option, it could receive the 1A40-1 fire control system and ATGM system 9K120 “Svir” (from the T-72B), or A42 and 9K119 “Refleks” (from the T-80U)."
T-55M6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJdFzggX7qA
(Sure, looks like your tank from those posts mentioned just above.)
Seen a couple of sites indicate it has a turret off a T-72 and this is very possible note the extended rear turret and bustle and the fact it's also different from the T-55M5 picture you have in Post 1586.
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March 25th, 2023, 09:39 AM
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Looks like 6 to me as well but how many they might have of these built and what exactly might end up in Ukraine is, at this time, nothing but speculation but sometimes that is all we have and right now this is my best WAG for each
I will probably put both Icons in the SHPs and wait and see what happens
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