Clash Of Armies [Started]

[The Panther]

On the subject of using blood battlefield spells:

It is certainly possible to cast one blood spell without either blood hunting or researching blood magic, and that would be 'Bleed'.

I was assuming that it is legal to cast Bleed since it does not violate the rules as stated so clearly in Wraithlord's above post. In fact, I just happen to have a mage set up to do exactly that if needed. I got an event where I received 16 blood slaves and I also happen to have a sauromancer with the random blood school.

So - is Bleed legal or not? (Not that this is a game turning spell )

I did offer to trade my free slaves to Folket for gems, but he declined to do so.

I agree that the rules were clearly stated in that the sole use of the 3 blood slaves per turn for Mictlan was to spread dominion in order to avoid the quick dominion death.

[Cainehill]

Yah, that wouldn't violate the rules, albeit it does illustrate why it's hard to setup a game like this: if you script a mage to cast Bleed, it's hard to tell if you're actually doing some blood hunting on the side.

Then again, why someone would waste a mage's time blood hunting when they can't get blood summons or items is beyond me. (Unless they figured to get a blood stone or some such equiped on a stealthy mage.)

*sigh* You know what the kicker is? I found Mount Chaining this game (40% bonus to blood summons), was all excited until I remembered no blood magic.

[The Panther]

Cainehill said:
*sigh* You know what the kicker is? I found Mount Chaining this game (40% bonus to blood summons), was all excited until I remembered no blood magic.

I had to laugh my a$$ over this one. Mount Chaining is practically a guaranteed winner site for any blood nation (Jotun qualifies), and you CANT EVEN USE IT!!!

[Folket]

I think there is a 60 blood bonus site.

[The Panther]

Folket said:
I think there is a 60 blood bonus site.

There is also a 20 (unholy 3) and a 30 (blood 3) in addition to the 60 (blood 3). But all three of these are rare. Of these, the only one I have ever heard about actually occuring in an MP game is the Summoning Circle (60 bonus).

The Mount Chaining is not only merely uncommon, it is also a level 1 site (meaning it can be easily found), and it is availiable on any land terrain. In other words, far too common and much too easy to find for the huge bonus it gives.

[Folket]

Since Mictlan needs to blood sacrifice for spreading dominions they are an exception to this rule. Mictlan is allowed to blood hunt but are prohibited from blood research and the forging of items that require blood slaves (with the exception of the jade knife).

A loophole in this rule is that I may summon spine fiends and fiends of darkness.

[The Panther]

Folket said:
A loophole in this rule is that I may summon spine fiends and fiends of darkness.

Yes, this is true since it is your national spell. Maybe I should withdraw my offer to trade my slaves to you...

[The Panther]

Folket said:
Mictlan is allowed to blood hunt.

I was under the impression that this is not true. NO ONE is allowed to blood hunt, even Mictlan. You may only use your starting slaves and nothing else.

If this IS true, then I will attempt to kill you immediately to prevent you from getting the usual horde of fiends. In fact, if I notice that you are blood hunting, then we are at war right now to the death.

[Oversway]

You probably want to go to war anyways, he has got a good start, and will have my capitol shortly.

[Cainehill]

That loophole is bogus, national spell or not. The intent was to not have anyone getting huge swarms of summoned creatures, via the very low magic site setting, which is why Wraithlord wanted to discourage you from playing Mictlan, since blood income isn't affected by the setting. If you start blood hunting and summoning fiends, you're essentially cheating.