OT: US President (US Dom Players only)

[thejeff]

Aezeal, by flat tax NTJedi doesn't seem to mean flat tax, he seems to mean a progressive graduated income tax with no deductions. This confused me for awhile.

[Aezeal]

ow.. well I can't be bothered to read all of this thread. His flat tax would probably be better for what I'm thinking then... goo socialism.

THen I don't think I can place most of his arguments very well though.

Goo socialism... gooo communism...

[JimMorrison]

Originally Posted by PyroStock

Since this conversation has the more vocal people value anecdotal experiences I will share mine. Of all the charities and "helping the needy" organizations I assisted/worked... none asked/insisted/pushed the needy be a certain religion. Whether it was directly helping someone in need (such as handicap bowlers or soup kitchen) or indirectly such as disaster funds... there were no "enlist in church" sheets, no brimstone&fire pseudo-preachers trying to save to the infidels and no stamps with "DENIED WRONG RELIGION" on them. I will return you to your regularly scheduled smileys...

The irony here, is that while (in context) I found your other post a little insulting, and thus responded with a tinge of anger, I like this post.

Obviously, there will be many different experiences among many different people. However, anecdotal observations are invaluable in assessing the reality of situations (as long as those observers are honest), in ways that a more removed "authority" may not be able to see. That is, unless more people gathering information on such things want to take the time and effort to make up a fake story, and call around various organizations, fishing for data.

In my situation, it was simple enough though. My own "statistics" were skewed from the beginning. Probably a good 50% of the "charitable organizations" on this list provided by my hospital, stated quite clearly next to the phone number that they provided assistance to church members only. There are only 2 ways you can take that (and one is awfully optimistic), but I don't belong to ANY church, so it didn't matter. Anyway, the rest all have their own little agendas as well. Some would only help me if I had children, some would only help if I was a drug addict, and yes I applied for Oregon Health Plan again, and my rejection letter actually told me that they were only accepting unmarried males without dependents in my age bracket - if they were illegal aliens.....

[Kristoffer O]

Conclusion?

Republicans:
Wisdom: <9
Intelligence: 9+
Alignment: Lawful Evil

Democrats:
Wisdom: 9+
Intelligence: <9
Alignment: Chaotic Good

[licker]

No, neither side is good, and neither side has high wisdom nor intelligence, though they have remarkable constitutions and charismas...

[chrispedersen]

Originally Posted by lch

He first filed this lawsuit on Aug 21, so a week before.

I said that he doesn't have any documented evidence, and he doesn't. All he does is poking around in the dark and trying to besmirch Obama's reputation.


Right. If it is being resolved in favor of Berg, I'll do that, of course. Just a mere accusation doesn't make it a fact, though.

I haven't followed it closely, but I guess it's pretty obvious to see what the real idea behind that lawsuit was. You probably don't stop a presidential candidate's campaign just because some lunatic files a complaint, as he is legally entitled to do. U.S. District Judge R. Barclay Surrick dismissed the case, finding that Berg lacked standing to bring the suit because Obama did not face direct harm even if the allegations were true.

I'm sorry, but I have a scientific background and arguments not based on factual evidence, or based on wrong facts, are void to me. Since I have found out that this applies to yours, I guess it's time to give up instead of keeping up this charade any longer, yes.

Bachellor of Science, Chemical Engineering, Computer engineering, Minor Psychology Ga Institute of technology. I suspect my 'scientific background' is adequate for this discussion.

My memory was close but perfect on the filing date - the date was Aug 21 not Aug 28.

But the essential *facts* of the matter are real simple. Berg asked for Obama / DNC / FEC to prove US citizenship. Rather than provide evidence of the same - the defense requested dismissal for lack of standing.

In other words, the judge said - you don't have a right to compel obama to prove he is a citizen.

I think Berg's origianl question is actually pretty reasonable, and find the whole defense, and ruling pretty unreasonable. And I would think that if the same were done to any candidate.

ymmv.

[Gandalf Parker]

Originally Posted by Kristoffer O

Conclusion?

Republicans:
Wisdom: <9
Intelligence: 9+
Alignment: Lawful Evil

Democrats:
Wisdom: 9+
Intelligence: <9
Alignment: Chaotic Good

Not bad. I like that. Makes sense to me (altho those who dont understand DnD might take offense at the LE part but it makes perfect sense to me)

Mine has been this...
Under the Democrats we will become the Federation.
Under the Republicans we will become the Ferrengi.

[lch]

Originally Posted by chrispedersen

But the essential *facts* of the matter are real simple. Berg asked for Obama / DNC / FEC to prove US citizenship. Rather than provide evidence of the same - the defense requested dismissal for lack of standing.

In other words, the judge said - you don't have a right to compel obama to prove he is a citizen.

I think Berg's origianl question is actually pretty reasonable, and find the whole defense, and ruling pretty unreasonable. And I would think that if the same were done to any candidate.

His words, like I quoted, were rather "It doesn't matter". You can read the exact document at the link that I gave. Since Berg isn't satisfied with that, he appealed the same complaint to the US Supreme Court again. I wish him the best of luck.

In that second link, you'll also find a link to Obama's Hawaiian birth certificate, which is enough to prove his US citizenship to a layman like me, unless somebody can make a compelling case before court that it isn't. The second paragraph in the page that I linked to even has this:

A similar court challenge was previously made to the citizenship of Obama's presidential rival, Senator John McCain, arguing that McCain did not qualify as a "natural born" US citizen

so I'd say that justice was served: Surprise, surprise, they didn't stop McCain's presidential campaign dead in its tracks because of this, either.

[archaeolept]

hi Chris could you please provide me with some link to John McCain's birth certificate? I can't seem to find any evidence he is a natural born citizen

k thx bye in advance

Bachellor[sic] of Science, Chemical Engineering, Computer engineering, Minor Psychology Ga[lol] Institute of technology. I suspect my 'scientific background' is adequate for this discussion.

the conclusion does not seem to follow

[Aezeal]

I can respect some republican points of view but chris is a bit strange, next he's gonna mention barack is a muslim again. PS that much bachelors to me only means you should've just gotten a master and that you've wasted government cash and/or your time but doing it all. I also wonder if yous still use all that in your current job.