11p very large (TURN 69)

[StrictlyRockers]

Patala is a grave threat in this game now. They could run away with the win.

WSP is mostly accurate with his description of the break down of our NAP. Caelum was lagging on producing the items it had promised. But it was for good reason as Caelum had attempted to explain to Man. Caelum had not researched the technology to create them because Caelum was involved in a hot and heavy war on the southern front with T'ien Ch'i at the time and needed to research other things for the war effort.

It was mostly just a breakdown in communications between the two nations. Still, it should have been easy to resolve this magic item issue. The items would have been forthcoming in a couple of turns, and Caelum explained the delay to Man due to the war research efforts and the lack of Construction research.

We did have a firm border agreement and a 20 turn long NAP in place with a 3 turn warning stipulation. Man demanded additional territories in breach of our border agrement soon after it was 'signed'. Man only gave 1 or, at most, 2 turns of warning before attacking and breaking the NAP.

Perhaps Man was seizing upon an opportunistic moment when Caelum was heavily embroiled in a war on the southern border. Man is sort of correct that Caelum was not honoring the letter of the agreement by not delivering the promised magic items. No specific time table had been set for when they were supposed to be delivered, and Caelum did not have the ability to create them. Man decided 5 turns was too long to wait for the items.

Maybe Man was looking for an excuse to invade. Or maybe they really felt like the agreement was not being honored. That is debatable. Man did not make much effort to negotiate and issued demands from a percieved position of strength after wiping out Abyssia quickly. Caelum had helped kill Abyssia. Caelum attemped to make it clear that we wanted peace and that the agreement would be honored.

[DrPraetorious]

Setting 36 hour quickhost.

As long as Patala doesn't expand any more, there isn't any urgency in counterattacking. If he tries to go after one of us, we have to provide whatever support is needed to stop him.

I intend to finish off Mictlan (who refused my offer of peace,) and if Man can't defeat Caelum's Mammoth-army, he can't defeat Patala's Elephant-army either, so that's that.

[Folket]

I see a huge lack of logic in several posts here. This game will not be won by whoever is most powerful. It will be won by whoever manages to get enough VPs.

At the moment Man has most VPs and is likely to have a shot at getting a VP from Caelum.

[DrPraetorious]

Folket, that's true.

However, it's a LONG way to victory - and Man appears to be fleeing from Caelum's border.

[StrictlyRockers]

Patala is going to keep growing and could swallow all of the giant's provinces. Patala is the real threat.

[WSzaboPeter]

DrPraetorious, I'm sorry, but Man appears to be loosing this war.

[Folket]

I would like to put timer on 48 hours. I find that 36 hours are a little to fast for me.

[DrPraetorious]

Okay, I'll change it when I get home.

[Evilhomer]

New turn....anyone know why man is computer controlled btw ?

[DrPraetorious]

I assume that WSZP decided he couldn't take Caelum and went CPU. I hardly think his position was hopeless, but I'll grant that he wasn't doing so well.