STM "Final v1.7.5" Discussion

[narf poit chez BOOM]

i say an SD(P) could blow them all away.

[Atrocities]

And I wouldn't say the Nebula Class was a science vessel!

I have to agree, the Nebula class star ships are, and have been fighting ships. Remember the first episode we saw one in? That ships captain went on a killing spree in Cardassian space and kicked butt.

[Atrocities]

Originally posted by Captain Kwok:


I'm not a big fan of the AGT Enterprise, or "Galaxy-X", but I would say that it is too large for a Federation ship in the game - maybe give it 60-120kT over a regular Galaxy class to add a couple torpedoes/phasers. 1400kT is far too much!

Sounds reasonable.

Originally posted by Captain Kwok:

And to be far, I'd swap the Nebula and Ambassador class sizes. The Nebula may look small - but it's just much more compacted and not really smaller.

Sounds reasonable.

Originally posted by Captain Kwok:

There's also no reason why the Sovereign can't be made more advance then the Galaxy - you can easily give it another tech requirement etc. so it appears after and a simple mount for the ship to increase the firepower is not difficult at all. It's not nearly as difficult as you suggest!

I can swap the Juggernought mount to be used on the Dreadnought. Same effect.

[DeadZone]

Ok, too point a few things out

Galaxy & Akira

The Galaxy was put in service in 2357, while the Akira appeared in 2368 (This is cannon fact )

The Nebula isnt a science vessel (not sure why I said that) it was mainly used for Exploration missions, but was refitted in light of the Cardassian border wars

The Sovereign is more powerful than the Galaxy as it was built nearly 30 years later, but not many were built, and the Sovereign was built mainly for defensive purposes (The defiant class was mainly for offensive purposes in the Dominion war and defensive purposes against the Borg)

**Sidenote: Is it possible to make the pulse phaser do more damage against the borg like in the series, or doesnt SEIV allow for this?**

As for other races, the only ship that I believe is out of place concerning size and age is the Romulan Warbird as it was built before the TNG era, just it has been upgraded time and time again

As for mounts, you could do wot you did wit the defiant cloaking mount, have certain components real expensive and each ship have its own mount so it would fit in the timeline of technology (Would be willing too do all the mounts for all the races)

As for number of ships for the Feds, from the TNG era up, I can put in 18 ships
That would be 3 carriers, 3 Transports, and 12 normal ships which can of course be reduced to a desired number

As for other races, regardless you have too start making them up, as only so much is known

But regardless of wheather you decide to go along wit this or not, I request you bring in the Prometheus class for the Feds, hell I beg you too, as that is my favourite vessel beside the Nebula

[ February 17, 2004, 03:21: Message edited by: DeadZone ]

[Atrocities]

The Sovereign is more powerful than the Galaxy as it was built nearly 30 years later

You might want to check on this one. The Galaxy Class ship was not introduced until TNG era, as in the Pilot for STNG, Picard said it was a new class. (The protype ship was the Enterprise, but they opted to call the class Galaxy for its exploration roots. The Yamato was the sister ship. I could be wrong)

Originally the Star Trek mod was not going to have carriers or ships by the current SEIV classification. (Escort etc) They were going to be named after each original class as they were in the show. But limitation on SEIV prevented this. This has been addressed in the latest patch for SEIV and perhaps now we can get back to brass roots.

The mod can never be cannon. I have stated this a billion times and will go on stating it. This will never be star fleet battles. The mod is our attempt to make SEIV into a nice playable Star Trek universe game. Kwok chose the era as TNG, and that has been the focus of the mod.

The problem with one race, IE the Federation, having a ton of ships is the size limitations. Say you have 12 hull sizes, well, the only thing seperating them is 100kt starting with 100kt, 200kt, etc and this is primarily why the current system was chosen.

Adding new weapons to the mod at this point is very very low on my priority list. We have been developing the mod for well over a year, and what we have is the result of all the input to date.

At this point all I can do is swap the Galaxy X for the Soveriegn. There is a juggernought mount for the game, and that will give you a nice weapon.

As for adding a ship, I am sorry, but at this point I have no plans on adding any more federations ships. You can however swap out any image you want with one that you do want.

So lets look at what was accomplished here:
1. The Galaxy X needs to be swapped with the Sovereign.
2. The Ambassador and the Nebula need to be swapped
3. The soveriegn needs to have access to the dreadnought mount

Ok, a nice list.

[gregebowman]

Originally posted by Atrocities:

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Originally posted by gregebowman:
What the heck is a Galaxy X class ship? The only Galaxy class ships I remember ever seeing are the Enterprise and the Yamato, and they were both destroyed. Is this canon, or something from a book or some other source? Just curious. I thought I knew everything from the known (aka the movies and the series) Star Trek universe.

Series finally, "All Good Things" in the future it was Admiral Rikers Flag ship. It cut through a Negh'Var in one shot and could travel at Warp 13. This is why it is a Juggernought, and the most advanced ship in the Federation armada. It was designed after the Soveriegn, and was used in BOTF very effectively.

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Thanks for the info. Probably like most everybody who watched the series, the first and Last episodes were my least favorite, and I don't watch them all that much. So I don't remember Ryker's ship all that well. I'll give it a look next time I can catch that episode. Also, what does BOTF mean? Must be something else I've missed.

[DeadZone]

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The Sovereign is more powerful than the Galaxy as it was built nearly 30 years later

You might want to check on this one. The Galaxy Class ship was not introduced until TNG era, as in the Pilot for STNG, Picard said it was a new class. (The protype ship was the Enterprise, but they opted to call the class Galaxy for its exploration roots. The Yamato was the sister ship. I could be wrong)

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Well thats interesting
Cannon fact: - Galaxy built in 2357, Sovereign built somewhere between 2370-2374 (not sure exact year)

That would be 13-17 years (30??? damn brain not wot it used to be lol)

Still bit of difference

And Im in agreement, it can nvr be fully cannon, that would only be possible in a ST game

And out of the 12 ships I can put in, I think more than 8 would be too much anyway for any mod for SEIV

Oh and why I say about the Prometheus, is because that was built in 2374, so its a something inbetween Galaxy X & Sovereign

[Sabin]

I have found some spelling mistakes for the Hirogen Hunting Party race descriptions.

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A spacefaring nomadic race whose society has been completely based upon the ritual hunt for a millennium, despite there(their) advanced technological status.
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Here is the second mistake:

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Now the Hirogen are a nomadic race traveling through the stars expanding their hunting territories in hopes of finding new pray(prey).
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I also have some ideas for improving the mod:

1: More random events, since it seems that they happen rarely, even at the highest settings and allowed consequences.

2: Allow another race's racial technology to be stolen/researched from analyzed technology. This would improve the amount of possibilities that a game would have. If that seems unbalancing, counter by making the success rate low.

3: Shields are difficult to place on the smaller ships without making large compromises. Perhaps this can be remedied by making a smaller, but weaker, shield component.(more expensive, too?)

4: It seems that the United Federation of Planets believe that President Jean Luc Picard II is their lord and master, and all the serfs refer to him as Sire, Lord, ect. Perhaps a change of heart is in order?

[DavidG]

Originally posted by gregebowman:
Also, what does BOTF mean? Must be something else I've missed.

Birth of the Federation. PC Game.

[Sabin]

I have found another error, one that appeared when I decided to accept an offer from the Hirogen Hunting Party:

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Your people accepted your offer.
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As far as I know, the United Federation of Planets is not currently under any conditions that would make such an response plausible.

It probably should be altered, so that it makes more sense.