Clash Of Armies [Started]

[OG_Gleep]

You won't need to use them if you configed like you did in Schitz.

[Folket]

I know, that is why I'm trying to lobby for that mictlan should be able to use blood magic as normal but that they should not be allowed to blood hunt.

[WraithLord]

Folket said:
Since Mictlan needs to blood sacrifice for spreading dominions they are an exception to this rule. Mictlan is allowed to blood hunt but are prohibited from blood research and the forging of items that require blood slaves (with the exception of the jade knife).

A loophole in this rule is that I may summon spine fiends and fiends of darkness.

This is indeed a loophole. It is against the spirit of the rule, but certainly the way the rule was phrased it is indeed allowed. Had this apparent loophole been brought up while we were setting up the game we would not have allowed it, either we would have added an exception to the rule or resort to simply banning the blood nations.

Folket, since this loophole does exist I feel like I can't just ask you not to exploit it, though I would certainly have preferred that you don't.

[The Panther]

I have only myself to blame, for I did not read the rules closely enough when it was modified to allow Mictlan to blood hunt. Had I noticed that, I surely would have objected. Without blood hunting, he could not get more than a handful of fiends, which would be not a big deal. With blood hunting on a rich world, though, he could easily get hundreds of them.

It was much simpler when the rule was 'No Blood Hunting allowed'.

[OG_Gleep]

I thought it was everyone's understanding that the only reason Mictlan would be able to hunt was to use the slaves for sacrafices. That was what I got out of the whole exchange, national spell, wording or not.

You specifically said under the rule mictlan would be useless and you suggested another nation be picked.

What was said surrounding the rule allowed for no loopholes. The subsequent discussions and clarification replaces or atleast amends the rule in the first post.

[OG_Gleep]

I re-read the entire thread just in case, and the actual determination was:

Blood Slaves
1) They can only be used by Mictlan
2) Can only be used for sacrafice

I for instance can't use them for sacrafice (I have +1 per turn atm). Wraith took the wording from one of the posts, but everyone was on the same page, and only made that concesion due to the fact that you wanted to play Mictlan.

[The Panther]

I can live with this determination. If Mictlan wants to blood hunt a lot and spread dominion like crazy, he knows that his neighbors will retaliate. I notice that he has not done this as yet, for his dominion is very low.

It means he cannot summon fiends. It also means that I cannot cast 'Bleed'. So I moved my blood slaves over to a commander without blood magic and they will now act like weak, berserked troops.

I also decided to not invade Mictlan, giving him the benefit of the doubt.

[Cainehill]

Gotta agree with OG_Gleep : as I said, Mictlan using blood spells is cheating, given the discussion that went on and the obvious intent. The fact that there's a technical loophole doesn't mean it isn't cheating. But maybe Mictlan has a politician or lawyer for pretender?

( Perhaps in the future, blood can be modded out : if all blood summons were made 500 blood slaves, ditto all items, no one would even be tempted. )

[WraithLord]

I would say that we have a consensus that Micltan can only use blood slaves for dominions spread.

[OG_Gleep]

Cainehill said:
Gotta agree with OG_Gleep : as I said, Mictlan using blood spells is cheating, given the discussion that went on and the obvious intent. The fact that there's a technical loophole doesn't mean it isn't cheating. But maybe Mictlan has a politician or lawyer for pretender?

( Perhaps in the future, blood can be modded out : if all blood summons were made 500 blood slaves, ditto all items, no one would even be tempted. )

Some one would...if only to say...."Yes I am kicking your *** that bad"