OT: US President (US Dom Players only) - Page 17

thejeff · #**161** November 4th, 2008, 05:18 PM

The only evidence backing this whole argument is an elementary school equivalent registration form his stepfather filled out. Because of that, which has no legal significance other than registering him for school, we must conclude that he legally changed his name and citizenship.

And as other's have said, his birth certificate is available. He can't produce the other documents requested since they don't exist. He never changed his citizenship or his name, so he can't produce documentation showing he changed back. Easier just to have the case dismissed.

Mithras · #**162** November 4th, 2008, 05:55 PM

Can we be provided with a direct link to Barack's birth certificate please, just because I can't find it.
As the above have said whats in a primary school registration form? Its not legaly binding and it was filled in by his step dad, who seems rather dubious... And so what is he's a muslim? I think that could be a step forward to peace in the middle east, it would certainly give the rabid preachers less to bang on about... "The US is the land of the infedel they invade our lands because of greed and hate... What do you mean muslim?... It means nothing that they just elected a muslim president" Thet'd soon get around it but it would be one less strike agaisnt the US in the middleeast, which can only be good, even if its to late.

Oh and NT, on the question of healthcare someone has said something a couple of pages ago and I've repeated others enough today. On the tax system... how is your tax going to annoy the rich if its going to reduce their tax from 50% to 8%, (figures from the forumn so I'm not to sure about the 50% one, the other I have quoted before) You can say 'but they pay 0% now' all you want but more likely than not they'll pay 0% wether the single working mother of four gets a tax break or not, so lets save the mother shall we? Argue with the rich you say? Isn't Obama letting a tax cut for the rich expire not a step in the right direction? Only people can't vote for you

BTW those of you who voted/are voting, I hope it was a pleasant and festive experience. It should be.

Tifone · #**163** November 4th, 2008, 06:11 PM

... All of that is ending soon anyway

konming · #**164** November 4th, 2008, 06:17 PM

Here you go, plus the marriage certificate:

Tifone · #**165** November 4th, 2008, 06:22 PM

Wow konmig, that was a nou-kyuu-lar bomb!!

thejeff · #**166** November 4th, 2008, 06:29 PM

Good point, we've got chris arguing we can't tax the rich more because "Top 5% of earners pay 50% of the taxes in the U.S.", which is close enough to true. He neglects to mention they also bring in roughly 50% of the income. And probably a far larger percentage of actual assets.
On the other hand NTJedi claims there's no point in raising taxes on the rich since they just find loopholes and never pay taxes anyway.
I'm not quite sure how to reconcile those arguments. The facts of the first one seem to check out, and don't seem that unfair with a little bit of context. In fact, it suggests that the top 5% are barely paying their fair share ("Fair" is a fuzzy word in this context. In one sense it would be "fair" for the top 5% to pay 5% of the taxes.)
The US seemed to do quite well in 50s & 60s with top marginal tax rates up in the 90% range. What has accompanied the lowering of those rates since then is a massive transfer of wealth upwards. The top few percent control a much larger percentage of the countries wealth than at any time since the Roaring Twenties. I would like to see that reversed.

licker · #**167** November 4th, 2008, 06:34 PM

You seriously think that in todays global economy taxing people at 90% is a good idea?

Mithras · #**168** November 4th, 2008, 06:41 PM

I think jeff means the top 10% of the population paying 90% of the total taxes which is possible as the top 10% owns a good amount of the wealth, something like 40-60% in 2001 I can remember doing some economics work on it... anyway to tiredfor arguing

MaxWilson · #**169** November 4th, 2008, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Ironhawk

Note to Mods: Please do not move this thread! I dont care about shrapnel players as a whole, I just want to know what dominions players think.

If you are a US citizen who is capable of voting, I'm curious to know how you are going to vote for in the upcoming presidential elections. I think it will be really interesting to see the pattern of the dominions community.

Presidential? After some vacillating, I settled on my pick while in the voting booth. McCain has annoyed me enough recently with his breathless hyperventilating that I had considered voting for a third party candidate, and I could live with Obama (there are some upsides), but I finally decided to vote against socialism and for nuclear power. So, McCain/Palin.

-Max

P.S. So, has anyone written up stats for a Barack Obama pretender yet? I'm thinking archmage stats, built-in A1 + pathcost 30, add Awe +3. 50 points.

MaxWilson · #**170** November 4th, 2008, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by thejeff

Good point, we've got chris arguing we can't tax the rich more because "Top 5% of earners pay 50% of the taxes in the U.S.", which is close enough to true. He neglects to mention they also bring in roughly 50% of the income.

Only the first statement is true, according to the IRS. Top 5% on the 2006 doc pays 55% of the taxes, and has 31% of the adjusted gross income.

(It would be nonsensical otherwise, in a country which has progressive taxation. The top X percent will *never* pay the same proportion of taxes as their income.)

http://www.irs.gov/taxstats/indtaxst...=96981,00.html

Note though that this is only federal income tax, not state/local/payroll taxes.

-Max