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[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Don previous post is for you. Everyone else the main issue is posted in the MBT Thread. Wanted to get the Threads in ascending order if you will.

Thank you!

Regards,
Pat

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I had thought it far longer then I just saw since I posted anything out here. But the SEP V3 is in and the rest, well I just don't know. That's something I've not done before when posting anything in this thread - ever - not to follow up when the Patch comes out.

So today happened to cost me $3400.00, for a new water softener, 10 yr. termite treatment, insurance deductible since someone decided to hit CINCLANTHOME's POV while it was happily sitting in a parking space minding it's own business (hit and run) and renewing my U2 membership.

So I'm thinking how can I make this a better day!??! Well...

Don,
I know this is a crappy time to ask but, it's always been in my window for this kind of thing, yes, but not so much as I normally would do but, maybe a step in the right direction. So here I go!!

I'm asking if you'll give me until Sunday (evening.) next to submit a mini Patch Submission? Here's what I see...

1. One helicopter already submitted (2013) for six countries. Problem missing primary weapon/slot(s) are available to add/one will need a 1 yr. shift to the left also for FOC+ (One turned out to be a month early that's OK well within our 6 month "SWAG" we've always used in the past. The rest on time. That's Research and Time & Effort.) I like that "RTE", sounds very...well...like military speak!?!

2. You (And some others out here.) know how I "feel" when I see a trend starting, and I see one now that I'd like to get fixed again as was addressed several years back. The concern is for the AH-64E and ensuring that foreign sales AH-64E birds DO NOT reflect the USA one's, not directed to you, based on a sense of the postings I've seen concerning this matter. I'm asking you to trust me on this one as I'm real close to tying this up to present the matter for your consideration. These will be minor fixes but, a degree of separation must be made.

3. I have a tank in mind which is significant to the country of concern and the geographic area as a whole. This will change the countries strategic position within the region due to the type and numbers ordered. It might even get some more players interested in this area or group of surrounding countries in the current era. This is an existing MBT from another country also in the region.
A simple ADD.

I of course will submit these if given the "green light" in my normal format for this thread. Might be useful for some others to a degree in simplifying submissions in the future, based on what I've read out here. Sorry this is kind've how I get when the juices are flowing. It's in the last work para below and is not personal, I just have a "good sense" of what's going on especially this time of year.

Patch's are what you call a female dog. So again "hats off" to Andy and Don.

That's about it. And as always you know I'm available as a "hound dog" as I've been asked to do in the past a handful of times.

For everyone else, it's not a big thing, if I get my "S**T TOGETHER maybe it'll be sooner then later, but, I feel much better about saying that now than I have in a very long time.

So many new people out and that's REALLT GREAT!! But that being said PLEASE read POST #1 there are "house rules" here mostly to keep my "head clear" and Don's to maintain his sanity. If you delve into this thread a little you'll understand what I'm talking about. THANK YOU!!

So it's my last night off, someone's playing for a National Championship and someone's got a complete 4K system...hmmm...I think Blade Runner 4K is what I'll do next, well after I renew my U2 thing.

Good Night everyone, even those that are already, well, sleeping!

Regards,
Pat


And wouldn't you know it, the TRUNK MONKEY from above is gone!?! I really liked the TRUNK MONKEY it made me laugh.

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sure... no problem

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

I hate to ask though I'm dedicated to this now, but as you'll see next, you'll partially understand why. I'm requesting a one day extension if possible though not only for the following reason but I had to research data lost.

The why is, I went to open my planes and jets folder that had about 100 files in it and now there are only 2 in it. I don't know or understand why but over 5 years of data are now apparently lost. Quite frankly though my mind is focused on the matter at hand, I'm almost afraid to check the others at this time and won't until this is done first for obvious reasons.

Any thoughts how I might find this data within Win10 at a basic level would be appreciated though, I expect the worst. This is the only info I can provide...

1. Had Mozilla Firefox after my PC issues before the holidays, I switched to MS EDGE as my browser and transferred my bookmarks over without incident. Did a precheck of my refs in preps for this project, and the files were all there Fri. late, last night they were all gone but the two mentioned. So this issue is open to answer here for anyone that has experienced the same or that might have a basic fix for me. THANK YOU IN ADVANCE!!

Don also so I saw the M551 Thread in TO&E's with Andy's answer concerning the location of the AAMG in Slot 4. Currently the 6 helos (Same type.) I mentioned already have two weapons on them that can stay (These are considered "heavy lift" helos so can easily handled all weapons assigned w/o any issues.

That being said, the weapon is FN MAG 60-30 MG x 2 which also as I had noted was it's primary weapon. There is one weapon mounted on each side of the helo (Will provide pics.) just behind the cockpit.
Added in edit to assist you.

Not knowing the calculus involved, do those two machine guns just take one slot because they're the same weapon or one slot for each?

So at this point it would be useful in answering this question with the following unit to represent the rest requiring updates France/UNIT 520//. also France and Malaysia are the only ones I'm aware that have ordered the up armor pkg., I'll assume the HS armor value of 3 vice 2 for the other countries involved represents that upgrade? If so then that issue is resolved for me.

Thank you! I'm really sorry to be a bother.

Regards,
Pat

[Mobhack]

WC4 AAMG in slot 4 - now fixed in code so its not treated as a bow gun.

Re loss of files - do you have anything set up to "archive" files - they may have been zipped up and squirrelled away by some utility programme, if you have such on your machine.

Also - check your deleted files folder, on the off chance you or some "utility" removed them, they might be found lurking in there!

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Don this is where I'm at all jet/plane & helo inputs done. The following will be my only MBT submissions to be submitted and what's left for to finish.

1. 1 name w/vision CHANGE

2. 1 vision CHANGE for the same tank as above but for a different country.

3. 1 ADD unless you tell the VT-4 for Thailand has already been entered by you for the next patch.

4. And finally my current "headache" Brazil EE-T1 ORSORIO UNIT 600 I might've been the cause of this as if and others might remember, sometimes I'd post a "what if" tank with other news etc. I believe you'll find I did this for this tank in the MBT Thread.

Here's the issue I've found several refs are saying this tank never got beyond the prototype stage. Army-Guide and maybe a couple of more say they do have. Please if you still have your note on this tank can you tell your source data please.

4A. Brazil EE-T2 ORSORIO UNIT 601 this one the refs seem to agree upon as never getting out of the prototype stage. It's really ashamed though, the Brazilian Army held off on a buy decision unless the tank generated international attention in the form of a buyer. That would eventually became Saudi Arabia that was looking for 300 tanks at the time. If bought the per unit price would've been much less making it an attractive buy for the Brazilian Army. As it turned out, this tank outperformed the ABRAMS (And this is well documented.) very handling in overall performance. In one of the more "shady" defense contract deals made, Saudi Arabia backed out of the intent to buy contract in favor of the ABRAMS this decision was solely based on their long term political interests. In that regard it's obvious it was the right decision.

So this boils down to the same question on how it got in.

I'm thinking 2 DELETES here otherwise.

Got to get ready for work have a late post today. Midnight before I can get home before I can respond to this.

Regards,
Pat

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3/ it's already in

4/ I just went through this with someone else.( it must be " Brazil Month..." ). please go look at the UC they are and then look at the formation they are in ......."Engesa Tank Company"

Then open up THE GAME instead of MOBHack and read the formation information.

Engesa Tank Company*
*
Prototype and initial production tanks for your use in hypothetical scenarios. Enough of these tanks were produced to field a company of various models should the need have arisen (for example, if Brazil was invaded). They can also be used in hypothetical scenarios where, for example, the USA did not intervene when Iraq invaded Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia would then have completed the planned purchase of 318 Osorios to use against Iraq.*
*
Engesa was formed as a private firm in 1963. Initially, it was involved in renovating World War II-vintage tanks. Engesa built wheeled APC's, such as the EE-11 Urutu amphibious APC, the EE-9 Cascavel armoured reconnaissance vehicle, the EE-17 Sucuri tank destroyer, and the EE-3 Jararaca scout car, in addition to a wide range of other products. The EE-11 Urutu armoured troop carrier is an amphibian that can also be used by naval forces. It is still used by the Brazilian Army. It made a success in the international sales market, and is in service in a number (over 20) of Armies worldwide, in addition to the Brazilian Army.*
*
Engesa's APC's were all based on a new proprietary suspension system, called "Engesa Boomerang". This ingenious suspension system, along with many other modifications, expanded the life span of many otherwise obsolescent World War II-vintage vehicles.*
*
Engesa embarked on an ambitious tank project with the goal of selling a modern tank to Saudi Arabia, and thereby winning more contracts worldwide. The prototype tanks went through several stages and finished an initial production run for trials. The Osorio was accepted for testing by Saudi Arabia and others, but Desert Storm intervened. The resulting close ties between Saudi Arabia and the USA led the Saudis to purchase M1 Abrams. Shortly thereafter Engesa filed for bankruptcy.*
*
Engesa has been dismembered, with some of its companies sold to private interests, and ordnance-related firms taken over by the state and integrated with the Industria de Material Belico do Brasil (IMBEL - Brazil's Industry of War Weapons and Equipments).*

There will be NO removal of that unit

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

When I saw those tanks my reaction was as noted in my last. I did see the post leading up to your last, I didn't have to read it because I recognized as soon as I saw it. So I'll you back and raise you a minus the beat down but very much feeling like what's on the ground!?!

Thanks for the response, keeping those refs for another look at these later because those reports of the Saudi opeval against the ABRAM was eye opening. I want to dig into a little deeper. Glad they can serve a purpose.

Regards,
Pat

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Patch Post #1 for the 2017/2018 Campaign

Well to start especially with the first Brazilian jets below in particular and others, those items go back about five years or more by time this gets posted. Why? First tracking the development of the item or lead time if you will until operational. Priorities associated with the game like armor and major OOB related mostly. Personal and related issues-life in general. So this is more about my philosophy of…One World One OOB at a Time (OWOOT…well that was interesting!?!) which is why I’m starting here with this thread. Unfortunately I’ve lost within the last few days I’ve somehow lost over a 100 files relating specifically to my Jets and Planes folder. So sorry for the delay these issues were in my head as I said for many years and in my last couple of years of submitting my Patch Posts I indicated how far behind I was letting these things go. I’ll do my best, because my goal here among others is to try to generate some interest outside of the ordinarily/or usual suspects played out here. You will note a more streamlined format (On the UNIT info page as you look at it go TOP to BOTTOM and LEFT to RIGHT is how I’ll try to present the data. I’m maintaining the past practice of not including END DATES for new and existing units if they meet or exceed the current games one. A note on the CHANGE items, mentally think of it as CHANGE too, this shortens things where I entered the data fields etc. with “vice” in between them. Finally I’m using a different font (Calibri 11 see I remembered!) to hopefully make things easier for Don, Andy and myself. Also I’ll be submitting new country pictures for these items below as needed and via follow up posts to this. As you go along you’ll understand why.
Since it’s been awhile and we have many new folks out here (WHICH IS GREAT!!) over the last couple of years, I would again ask your patience and understanding in that these submissions are for your viewing only while under this thread. This is to expedite any issues between us concerning equipment getting into the game. As always I migrate these back to their “home” threads after all issues have been addressed, and Don is satisfied as is or the patch has been released, after which you can comment as you wish.
I will thank everyone for your support and encouragement over these last few years at the end of this submission it’s just a little special THANK YOU!?! So this is the first one about 4yrs. and if Don’s ready, let’s get started…

JETS PLANES BUT NO UAVS HERE.
ADD:
A1. Brazil/SEP 2016/DEC 2025/Embraer A-1M AMX/EW 6/TI-GSR 40/2x DEFA 540 30mm/LGB capable/Ref. UNIT 148 as weapons option/FC 16/RF-Does have Range Finder value at your discretion//. Though work started in 2008 however, the world market situation slowed the cash flow in this program. The prototypes were made fully operational and the FAB did receive they’re first A-IM in SEP 2013 with 16 more at various stages of modernization but, I’m basing my FOC+ as indicated above as that was a date a ref. pointed to as delivery of additional aircraft. The A-1 cannot compete against the A-1M as this was an extensive and very expensive upgrade for the number of planes involved (43). It should be noted that Israel’s ELBIT was the lead initially in the upgrade of the planes avionics and advanced electronic systems.
https://dialogo-americas.com/en/arti...l-flight-march
http://www.airforce-technology.com/p...ighter-bomber/
https://embraer.com/global/en/news#/...A1-modernizado
https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com...-Brazil-05151/
http://www.deagel.com/news/First-Upg...000011864.aspx

A2. Israel/JAN 2005/DEC 2015/A-4N SKYHAWK II AYIT (EAGLE)/EW 4/TI-GSR 30-35 (Possible 40.)/2x 20 mm COLT Mk 12/Normal Configuration – Drop Tanks/6 Mk 82 500lb bombs and 2 LAU-131 rocket pods/Optional Pkg. - 8 Mk 82 500lb bombs/2 Mk 80 250lb “Fire Cracker” bombs/FC+ (?)/RF-Does have Range Finder value at your discretion//. Before I make my case for this plane, I noticed that the pictures for UNITS 308-311 are all USN ones and ICO of 311 not an A-4N as that has The “humpback” on it. I already have IDF pictures for 311 and this one if entered. Alright here we go…By 2005 the IAF realized the life span of their A-4 was coming to an end. By 2008 the search was on for its replacement which included the possibility of using their F-16A/B that I believe were coming out of service around that time. By 2014 that replacement was being integrated though initially they were purposely stripped down versions when bought (See ref. 5).
These planes received the above noted improvements plus others to cover other avionic aspects in regard to the planes performance. This is in the realm of an advanced trainer that is designed (Like many others T-50 ROK, L-15 China, YAK-130 Russia and M346 Italy etc.), that is fully combat ready. In looking into this matter, it can be interpreted that they might’ve been used for such purpose, after all once advanced training is completed it’s on to their final assignments. But we’ve been down this road before (STRIX etc.) so my case is really above the fact that if “push came to shove” Israel wouldn’t hesitate to use them or any other nation that operates a smaller AF similar to the geo-political environment they are in. I think this is something to consider.
The 4th ref. is was the best I could find on the IAF A-4 weapons configurations. The 5th ref. indicates combat missions into Lebanon in 2006. The 6th ref a book on the combat history in chapter 7 is about operations in Syria and Lebanon. The chapters are in chronological order. The 7th ref is an IAF source on their aircraft. What I find unusual here is that the AYIT is not listed under the trainer section (Click on decade time lime.) however its replacement is. The last two discusses the new trainer and the IDF upgrades including weaponing of them.
http://www.aviobook.com/military/4X_...HTERS.ENG.html
http://iaf.org.il/4428-45751-en/IAF.aspx
From para 4 “…as it took part in every Israeli campaign ever since it entered service…”
http://warbirdsnews.com/warbirds-new...s-service.html
http://www.moddb.com/mods/idf-fight-...e-israeli-ayit
http://a4skyhawk.info/article/israel...kyhawks-combat
https://ospreypublishing.com/israeli...nits-in-combat
http://iaf.org.il/9031-en/IAF.aspx
http://www.airforce-technology.com/n...craft-4202966/
http://www.iaf.org.il/4462-49374-en/IAF.aspx
Pic:


CHANGE:
C1. Brazil/UNIT 153/F-5EM/Start DATE SEP 2006 FOC+/EW 8 Rafael Litening III /TI-GSR 40+ (?)/Rafael Litening III/1x 20mm M39 1 cannon removed to accommodate additional air/ground radar + other sensors/FC 22+?//First I feel these planes from the start should’ve been around 40 TI-GSR as they stand w/o the pods. Also more of the pods had been received since the below ref first reported on them. By Sep 2006 13 F-5EM and 1 F-5FM were operational (However, “An official ceremony on 21 September 2005 at Canoas marked the service entrance (FOC) of the Embraer F-5EM with the first operational unit: 1°/14 GAv "Pampa" at Canoas AB.” But they were designated to conduct op evals. This goes to an earlier discussion concerning FOC vs. FOC+. These are probably the most advanced versions of the type being flown now. Depending on how the GRIPEN NG purchase goes (Tentative first delivery late 2019.), these planes might stay in service until 2030. Some refs do point to 2020, however it took a year to op eval these planes and they already flew the F-5 prior. Now we know that’s not going to happen. Again Israel and also Italy played a key role in its development. The difference maker to some extent was the decision to buy the more capable Italian radar vs. their first choice. My first ref does an excellent job of tying the rest in I’ve supplemented it with. But I’m under a self-imposed time limit so…I end on the following question, do we want to ADD the F-5FMtwo seater and should we not consider also an additional F-5EM in a different weapons configuration? And this can wait or after this is submitted and depending on your workload, I can fire off an addendum to this Patch Post if you want it for the next Patch.
http://www.the-northrop-f-5-enthusia...lUpgrades.html
https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com...Program-06837/
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/art...to-brazil.html

C2. Israel/UNITS 308-311/A-4E/F/H/N to include “AYIT” at end of name/See A1//.

C3. Israel/UNIT 311/A-4N SKYHAWK II AYIT/End DATE DEC 2008/2x 20 mm COLT Mk 12/Normal Configuration – Drop Tanks/6 Mk 82 500lb bombs and 2 LAU-131 rocket pods/Optional Pkg. - 8 Mk 82 500lb bombs/2 Mk 80 250lb “Fire Cracker” bombs//. I think it well worth to equip jets/planes as full as possible with ordnance in cases like this when other changes are needed and we have sources available to support the claim. And I’m not however suggesting we do a major check of aircraft in the game, as a user of them, most already are “fully” loaded. This again was a random opportunity that presented itself. The 4th ref is from a 1965 USMC orientation film. You’ll see one of the single mission load outs at the start of the video and you’ll need to pause it, it’s only 30s long. The last is for informational and entertainment value. It has some great combat footage. Note: From A2, that refs 2 and 5-7 apply here as well.
http://a4skyhawk.info/article/israel...kyhawks-combat
http://www.military-today.com/aircraft/a4_skyhawk.htm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBAjBHJCM-k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLMM_jf6Lwc
Pic:


C4. USA/UNIT 851/AC-130H SPECTRE/END DATE MAY 2015//
Keeping this simple, she’s flown off into the sunset. OK retired.
Note: Holding off on the new AC-130J GHOST RIDER. Could possibly become operational this year however, the USAF had to scrap one due to a “Training Mishap” I don’t intend to enter the AC-130W due primarily to slot issues, unless someone tells me otherwise. That being said the AC-130J GHOST RIDER is a much more capable platform which will be equipped with anti-tank missiles and PGB’s.
http://www.cannon.af.mil/News/Articl...ectre-gunship/

FYI: During the YOM KIPPER War the A4 suffered moderate/heavy losses, if you looked at the ref 5, you’d have noticed near the bottom a picture showing the jets nozzle almost blown off. You’ll notice on later pictures and the ones I submitted, they actually rebuilt and extended the nozzle which in turn greatly reduced its IR heat signature.

HELO News game related.
ADD:
A1. Thailand/JUN 2015/SUPER COUGAR H225M/COPY REVISED Brazil UNIT 129/UNDER “CHANGE” see C1 FOR FURTHER DATA//

CHANGE:
C1. France UNIT 520 UP ARMORED/Malaysia UNIT 664 UP ARMORED/Brazil UNIT129 also START DATE JUN 2011/Indonesia UNIT 129/TO SUPER COUGAR H225M/ADD PORT AND STARBRD FN MAG 60-30 MG w/ 250 or 1000RD DRUMS/LEAVE ALL OTHER STATS AS IS/EXCEPT AGAIN Brazils new start date above// What simply happened here is that Eurocopter was bought out by Airbus which caused the name change, trying to avoid any future confusion for this helo. I noted in the case of France and Malaysia (Armor upgrade pkg.) the HS value is 3 vice 2 for all the others. Is this a good number in your mind for those two countries? Or might 4 be better? I defer to you as I know you always back check these submissions. The below refs are the only live links from HELO Thread Pg. 3/Post #26/A4 as originally submitted. For Thailand getting it, Brazils new start date and helo name change per updated ref 1.
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/ec725/
You’ll be DIRECTLY taken to updated version w/H225M.
https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com...copters-04959/
Not updated since JAN 05, 2012.
https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com...copters-05690/
Pic: This is for France.



C2. Malaysia/UNIT 324/S-61A4 NURI/END DATE DEC 2025// These were to be replaced by the SUPER COUGAR H225M. See C1 above ref 1. From the next ref you’ll see where I’m heading with this. Taken from this ref 1 para 9/1st sentence “AgustaWestland also intends to bid for the replacement of the Malaysian air force’s Sea King S-61A4 helicopters, offering the AW101 as an alternative to the Eurocopter EC 725.” Much later…However after some confusion (Was there a base model and a later “NURI” updated version?) and chasing a ghost helo I have fixed the above and removed a copy request below no longer there. Alright the S-61A4 NURI is receiving a modernization pkg. which appears to have just begun or is about to. This is why I requested the above date change. It will obviously at a later date require a new unit and possibly a later date change to mark the retirement of the current unit, should it occur before 2025. I haven’t found any newer refs on that upgrade status of this helo.
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...ng-even-better
http://defense-studies.blogspot.com/...licopters.html
https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/d...raft-upgrades/

FYI: I need more time to put together the information I need to come up with a viable solution the export version of the AH-64E GUARDIAN. I’m looking at a hybrid version of both the USA AH-64D (Latest mod.) and the current AH-64E. I believe I know what the needs are but need to figure out which countries it would be applied to. I know for the “hybrid” applies to India which actually a couple of years ago lead me to this issue, but what about say Britain, Taiwan (They got them first and already have them.) and ROK. I need to resolve this. I’ll work on it, let you know when it’s ready and let you decide if it can be worked in or not for the next patch.

MBT’s
CHANGE:
C1. Ukraine/UNIT 064/OPLOT-M/TI-GSR 50// Several years back around the time I submitted the AH-64E GUARDIAN and ABRAMS SEP V2 I posted some questions regarding the whole TI/GSR issue as these were getting more advanced and how to make them work within the game. At the time we set the upper limit at 60 which given our battle ground size currently is more than viable. I compiled a list of tanks based on further research of their FCSystems by memory (I believe the list included 10 or so tanks. All this was posted in the MBT Thread. and with their updated numbers, Japan TYPE 10/50, Britain CHALLENGER 2 TES/50, Latest German LEOPARD 2A6/60 (ATTICA), Russian ARMATA/60.
Then I had 3 that required a “deeper” look the French LeClerc, Ukraine OPLOT-M and Italian ARETE. The first two made it by ~200m and the ARETE was “on the money” at 40 (2 or 3 upgrade pkgs. were put together, but all fell through.). I guess I never brought theOPLOT-M back into the spotlight?
Now the lights are on.

C2. Thailand/UNIT 019/OPLOT-T/TI-GSR 50//
Well blame the Russian incursion in the Ukraine. They did receive all the tanks ordered this past fall. But due to the Ukraine’s defense issues the orders had slowed down significantly. Once the initial concerns over the tank having an auto loader, they’ve since been very impressed with the tank and its reliability. The crisis came along and forced Thailand to look elsewhere to fulfill its 250 modern tank role. As Don has indicated you’ll see the Chinese VT-4 in the next patch as the tank chosen to fill the gap. I still feel there will be a showdown between the two tanks. This situation was actually good for the Ukraine as they went from 10 OPLOT-M tanks to estimates now at around 150 -200 tanks in the field now and maybe an opportunity depending on the performance of the VT-4, to get back into Thailand to sell them more OPLOT’s or the improved version that we might see in the game.
http://defense-studies.blogspot.com/...s-oplot-t.html
https://asian-defence-news.blogspot....ivered-to.html
https://land.dfns.net/2017/12/12/roy...e-oplot-tanks/
Pics: Second is a RTA VT-4.


All pics are of national origin.

4:15am and I am so dead!?!

Regards,
Pat

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Originally Posted by FASTBOAT TOUGH

4:15am and I am so dead!?![/b]

Been there........done that.........