MBT's

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I tend to agree and THIS supports the idea but I'm not ready to pull it or the T-15 from the OOB yet

And note this article states "The tank's deployment in Ukraine revealed performance problems, leading to its withdrawal from frontline service."

Personally, I belive the tank never was on Ukraine soil but it was probably tested in western Russia nearby and if it was it was actually over the border it was far away from the actual front as possible

Eventually the truth will be known but what is "the first casualty of war" Pat?

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

The "TRUTH" YOU COULDN'T ASK SOMETHING HARDER!?!

I get it.

But remember I was on this tank from the start, that being said we've lost some and we got some in sometimes with a lot of patience on both our parts (ARJUN etc.) over the years.

You know how I feel about "keeping it real" that's my standard and the one you've always held me to since I joined the club.

And a couple of the things I've seen over the years from the game review "experts" is on the realism and continuous updating of the game.

I know we have the means to make these things available to the player without having it in the OOB. Which was why I brought up again the "improved" T-90M within the last handful of posts in here. It's marginally better but more importantly it's fielded and has been in combat though in limited numbers.

Also, ORNX is showing that there is a T-72B3 Obr. 2022 of which ORNX is showing that 65 have seen combat (51 destroyed/3 damaged/8 damaged and abandoned and 3 captured.)

This also includes 163 unknown types of T-72 tanks of which
127 destroyed (So for the Obr. 2022 the numbers might be slightly higher.).

As a note if ORNX can't identify the specific model of equipment this is the category they go into.

When I submitted the tank as you might remember I did so as "hybrid" of what was to be the T-72B3/Obr. 2014 & Obr. 2016 the changes were incremental between models, but it didn't make sense to submit 3 tanks separately especially as the OOB is so tight. Again, the tank in the game NOW was submitted with ALL the improvements added. Another reason for doing this was the very short timeline between the three types noted above.

I have to look into this further (T-72B3 Obr. 2022) to see if we need to add this tank or not. I believe what I submitted was around 2019 give or take a year or two.

Regards,
Pat

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Alright so here's where we're at, our "hybrid" tank is in the Russian OOB as UNIT 697 T-72B3M (I had originally submitted it as the T-72B3/B4 similar to the ref. below showing it as the T-72B3M/T-72B4.

To be clear ours was built to the specs of the first ref. and others when submitted.

Our tank checks out fine and as some might remember we play tested it against the OPLOT-M 3-4 years back which led to the OPLOT-M being modified based on the testing and the numerous references that accompanied the posts throughout supporting the need to make those changes that were not available when first submitted.

The only thing is if we have the correct main gun which is...
"The main armament of the T72B3M / T-72B4 consists of one 2A46M5 125-mm smoothbore gun which is a modernized variant of the standard 2A46M cannon, also known as the D-81TM. This gun system features reduced recoil and a stabilized gun mount. The 2A46M-5 variant was introduced in March 2012 as part of the upgraded T-90MS tank. The 2A46M5 gun design made it possible to reduce the technical dispersion of shells of all types by 15% in average and to increase the effective range of fire. "
https://www.armyrecognition.com/mili...video-12003163
(This ref. is dated from 7 AUG. 2024.)

"T-72B3M Model 2022: This version appears in December 2022. It is fitted with a new dynamic protection system around the hull. The turret is fitted with a new ERA armor and the lower part is equipped with an RPG metal net." THIS IS ALSO FROM THE ABOVE REF.

So, this all means it is equipped with the same linked hanging chain covering the back and backsides of the turret same as on the T-90M against RPGs.

You'll also note the top of the turret has added a little more Kontakt-1 (See photo on lower left of the ref. below.).

I personally see no added value in this tank game wise (Or RL.) based on what are only minor at best improvements.

None of these T-72 variants have addressed the main issue of this model which is a poorly designed ammo storage area causing what's being called the "Jack in the Box" effect.

I hope the reader will continue reading about T-72B1 Obr. 2022 (or 2023) tanks and from MANY other sources that are saying the same about this tank to include the more recent delivered (Within the last year or two.) T-80BVM and others. Those are shown (T-72B1 Obr. 2022 (or 2023) in the main picture of the article and upper right picture further down.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidax...r-their-crews/
(Updated on 29 JAN. 2023.)

Regards,
Pat

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Originally Posted by FASTBOAT TOUGH

I personally see no added value in this tank game wise (Or RL.) based on what are only minor at best improvements.:

Yep and things like that are why the OOB's in Russia and USA are at near capacity and we ARE working ( slowly ) on a solution to that but still........there are a lot of things added over the years that in game play make zero difference

Now in the reference you cited mentioned better stabilization but the T-72B3M is already a 5 and I don't see that it justifies being a 6

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

I referenced that para for further info but, my concern about that particular main gun (2A46M5) cited is that it can shoot any of the current ammunition in the Russian stock meant for the likes of the T-14/T-90M. But that's more your side of the house.

Regards,
Pat

[DRG]

Originally Posted by FASTBOAT TOUGH

I referenced that para for further info but, my concern about that particular main gun (2A46M5) cited is that it can shoot any of the current ammunition in the Russian stock meant for the likes of the T-14/T-90M. But that's more your side of the house.

Regards,
Pat

T-14 uses the 2A82-1M 125 mm gun the ammo is different than previous 125mm rounds and higher pressure

T-90M uses the 2A46M 125mm cannon

The T72B3M is armed with a 2A46M5 125mm

They are not the same gun......... I believe the ammo for the 2A46M and 2A46M5 is interchangeable but not the ammo for the 2A82-1M and in the game the "gun" is the ammo

EDIT
So the T-72B3M should be using W128 ( now changed) and as well the T-80BVM gets W128 ( now changed)

From Wiki for this last bit

• 2A46M-5: Used on T-90M, T-80BVM, and T72B3 Obr2017.
• 2A82-1M: Used on T-14 Armata

[MarkSheppard]

https://x.com/RyszardJonski/status/1848749456788730110

Lithuania purchases a battalion of Leopard 2A8 tanks and 2 battalions of CV90MkIV IFV vehicles.

The decisions were made today by the Lithuanian State Defense Council VGT /Valstybės Gynimo Taryboje/.

https://kam.lt/valstybes-gynimo-tary...tuvos-paramos/

[MarkSheppard]

More Leopard 2A8 Sales:

https://x.com/Jeff21461/status/1850923912097382857

Croatia and Germany are signing a Letter of Intent today for Croatia to procure 50 Leopard 2A8 main battle tanks.

Part of the cost of this procurement is to be offset by the sale of 30 M84 MBT and 30 M-80 IFV to Germany, who will in turn donate them to Ukraine.

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

More on Marks...
CROATIA/CHANGE/M-84/UNIT 024/START/JAN 2025/VICE/AUG 2022. // The deal for the LEOPARD 2A8 will happen. Too many articles are popping up and too many officials are talking about this. The MOU will get the ball rolling. Germany will finance this deal and credit Croatia for the tanks and APC's being given to the Ukraine. Checked with ORNX NO M-84 tanks have shown up on their list this is important since we "think" they got them in '22. In contrast the M-55S is on the list as 1 Destroyed/1 Damaged with the timeline about the same as the M-84 roughly. I believe Croatia was trying to get a different LEOPARD at the time but they were "feed" to the Ukraine. My bottom-line is simply if they had them then odds are they'd be on that list given the numbers they would've gotten which by the way happens to be the same number this deal would get them. CROATIA simply doesn't have that many of those tanks to give away as that means they would've received (& about to.) 60 of the 70 of those tanks THEY HAVE IN TOTAL.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...s/ar-AA1t5J52?
ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=467899891a194f4c96931f63b41e4b3e&ei=16
https://www.armyrecognition.com/news...pard-2a8-tanks
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/0...ukrainian.html

And to save time...
UKRAINE/ADD/M-80A/COPY/CROATIA/M-80A/UNIT 539/START/JAN 2025. //Both these units are designated for delivery by the end of this year. January just feels safer. They will keep the weapons and receive ammo, spares and Maintenace support as part of the package.

Something extra...
https://defence-blog.com/russia-file...unition-maker/

Also, Australia will transfer their ABRAMS to the Ukraine however, they will not get the Helos they wanted as well. They already have started to strip them to support the world supply chain for the NH-90 copters. There is NO TIMELINE for the transfer yet, SAME for ABRAMS V3 FOC.

And Don knows my source for this info on Australia, enough said.

Regards,
Pat


EDIT: Corrected on my next post.

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Originally Posted by FASTBOAT TOUGH

More on Marks...
CROATIA/CHANGE/M-84/UNIT 024/START/JAN 2025/VICE/AUG 2022. //

Pat......... go back and check what you meant to have written..... There is NO unit 24 in the Croatian OOB and NONE start Aug 2022

Maybe you meant ...
UKRAINE/CHANGE/M-84/UNIT 024/START/JAN 2025/VICE/AUG 2022. //

??