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October 29th, 2024, 03:24 AM
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Re: MBT's
Sorry...
UKRAINE/CHANGE/M-84A/UNIT 024/START/JAN 2025/VICE/AUG 2022. //Is what I meant as you noted.
This is what I get for checking things when I thought I was going to bed...  Anyway...
UKRAINE/ADD/LAV 6 ISC/COPY/CANADA/LAV 6 ISC/UNIT 612/START/OCT 2024. // The article refers to the unit as the LAV 6.0 armoured combat support vehicles (ACSV) which the above should cover.
Also, I noted that Canadian UNITS 600/612 have FC 30 but UNIT 603 LARV Coyote has FC 35 with END/JUN 2019.
I would think that the LAV 6.0 being the latest model in service that UNITS 600/612 should at least match the FC of UNIT 603 at 35 as well.
https://www.army-technology.com/news...-lav-6-0-acsv/
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October 29th, 2024, 10:31 AM
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Re: MBT's
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What is in Ukraine is CND unit 611 not 612 and the first ten of the 50 ACVS Canada is donating will be of the ambulance variant and even 30 FC is not justified for that. ( and it's already in the UKN OOB --U312 I just need to tweak the date )
If it can be proven they have the turreted combat variant I will activate it
The coyote was a specialized scout vehicle used for battlefield reconnaissance and surveillance missions at the battle group and brigade levels.. They came in two varieties----command vehicles and surveillance vehicles
From wiki------"As of 2015–2022, the Coyote was in the midst of a planned retirement and being replaced by a mix of TAPV and LAV VI armoured vehicles . The LAV III – has replaced the Bison in many roles."
That's why it has a 2019 retirement date. If it needs adjusting I will adjust
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October 29th, 2024, 01:12 PM
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Re: MBT's
It looks like COYOTE and BISON are still in service at least the latest models anyway.
I did not realize the ACSVs (Armoured Combat Support Vehicles) were the replacement to the above and the Canadian Govt. decided to send them to the Ukraine which my most recent ref. in my last post was also showing. This article below dated Jan 04, 2023 it also is saying that some got there as early as Oct. 2022.
. Also appearing the ACSV Program had both setbacks and delays.
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...hicles-ukraine
These next supports COYOTE further.
https://ottawacitizen.com/news/natio...e-deficiencies
(Dated Last updated Sep 01, 2023)
Next from Canadian Govt.
https://www.canada.ca/en/army/servic...es/coyote.html
(Date modified: 2021-02-10)
The following seems to support immediate above but found something interesting...
"In addition, the turret front faces receive 2x4 76mm Smoke and fragmentation grenade launchers (8 reloads)." This below picture on left as " DESIGN" section continues.
https://tank-afv.com/modern/Canada/Coyote-ARV.php
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October 29th, 2024, 01:43 PM
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OK, I'll extend the dates a bit but when or if this happens is just a WAG because.......
The clowns we have in Ottawa now...... well.... if I said what I wanted to say it I'll have to ban myself
I think this will pass and you can fill in the blanks
"couldn't organize a ------- in a -----house"
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October 29th, 2024, 02:13 PM
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I understand and I'd bet you knew my " curiosity" would " kick in" at the same time. 
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October 30th, 2024, 06:41 AM
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October 30th, 2024, 09:22 AM
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I have some "adjusting" to do with the German OOB.......
I also need to review the speeds used for all the Leo 2's in all the OOB;s ( fun)
The Bundeswehr website for the Leopard 2 A7V ( which is now a higher weight class than previous=63.9-ton) says
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Powered by a 1,500-hp engine, the tank ploughs its way across the battlefield just like its predecessor did.
With this this in mind, the slightly decreased peak speed is acceptable. Despite its weight, the state-of-the-art Leopard can reach a theoretical maximum speed of 63 kilometres per hour.
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63 kph converted to game speed = 21 NOT the 26 we have used for every 2a model except the first one.
So I will be searching for an all-in-one webpage with that info on each model so I can correct the OOB's ............if someone finds one please post the link
https://armyrecognition.com/military...technical-data
claims the top speed of the 2a8 is 70 kp/h that = 23 game speed so I have adjusted that and the 2a7v
EDIT
All sorted now for the German Leo 2's..... moving to everyone else who has them now
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October 30th, 2024, 11:27 AM
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Re: MBT's
This site still considered the best source of information on LEOPARD and a couple of the others. Some of my other sources use this site as well. I believe you might know the moderator.
Look towards the bottom of each section.
https://id3486.securedata.net/fprado...site/main.html
These are very good as well to corroborate or help set an average speed overall.
http://tank-masters.de/?cat=4
https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/#google_vignette
I have to go-sorry- best I can suggest for now.
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Re: MBT's
If you notice the values we use for the 2a4 and 2a6 match the range given in the Prado link
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