The neo-standard thread- Standardising additional hull sizes. - Page 19

mlmbd · #**181** January 16th, 2003, 02:46 AM

Andr&eacutes Lescano:

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Different shipsets have troops that look like infantry, atmospheric fighters, hover vehicles, tanks, war-beasts, other type of mechas, ect. Do you want to remove all that by forcing all shipsets to have first infantry, then mechanized troops, then mechas and finally finish with massive tanks would be against the originality of different shipsets.

I am not tring to remove 'anything'. So I am tring to 'force' anything on anyone! I am working with the data supplied to me. If there are other images that different mods use. Just tell me what they are. Don't cope an additude. Geesh! Seems we are all tring to work towards the same end.

mlmbd

Gryphin · #**182** January 16th, 2003, 03:06 AM

About the naming of Troops, Fighters, and Mabye Weapons plats,
Perhaps name the sizes after military unit sizes:
Fire Team > Squad > Platoon > Company > etc..

PvK · #**183** January 16th, 2003, 10:16 AM

Hmm. I wonder if maybe the "tons of ship sizes" thing ought not to be its own standard, or an extended Version of the Neo Standard. The Neo Standard is really nice as it is, mainly in that there is a good amount of overlap in use, and a good number of sets that support it, especially with the recent additions to the original shipsets.

Fyron's mod isn't the only one to offer a large range of ship sizes, but I don't know of any ship sets that offer different images for so many sizes. In fact, many of the existing shipsets have some very similar-looking ships. If the Neo Standard added three or more times as many sizes, the matrix would mainly get harder to read. Is anyone actually planning to provide shipsets with so many sizes?

PvK

dogscoff · #**184** January 16th, 2003, 10:37 AM

My opinions on what should be added:

4 troops + 2 infantry is enough.

5 fighters is enough. Maybe add an orbital fighter at the bottom, but I think that would definitely be enough.

A few more bases would be a good idea.

the non-combat vehicles are a great idea.

Only one or two more warship sizes are necessary. Perhaps light & heavy frigate?

mlm: I don't think anyone meant any offence.

PvK: I'm planning a fully neostandard compliant set and i know mlmbd is keen, but I don't think many others will bother, especially if we extend it by another 10 or 20 images. Take a look at the list of compliant sets on my webpage: there are about half a dozen sets with more than 2 images, and that's more than a year after the neostandard was first defined. It's not all that popular with shipset makers after all.

For this reason I think a drastic expansion would be a bad idea.

Therefore I think we should split the neostandard: I think any additons we make now should be "neostandard 2" or even better, divorce it completely from the neostandard and call it the "ultrastandard" or something. This would just just be a marketting trick to make it less daunting to shipset makers. If we did this, however, we could really go to town and make the "ultrastandard" (or whatever name) as big as the neostandard or bigger.

Edit: Just realised that PvK suggested this Last point before me. Soory mate, didn't want to steal your ideas=-)

[ January 16, 2003, 08:42: Message edited by: dogscoff ]

mlmbd · #**185** January 17th, 2003, 02:50 AM

PvK, your idea about any further expantion to be it's own standard, or an extended Version of the Neo Standard is excellent. When I started to help dogscoff that idea crossed my mind. Dogscoff and did so much talking trying to get me up to speed on the NXP that I may have even mentioned it. Maybe not. Either way, it is a great idea.

Dogscoff, if you decide to use the multiple Neo set idea. Why not make it like:
Neo Standard (first 20 images added)
Neo Standard 2 - the next + 20 or 30 images
Neo Ultra Standard 1 - the next + 20 or 30 images
Neo Ultra Standard 2 - the next + 20 or 30 images
Neo Ober Standard 1 - the next + 20 or 30 images
Neo Ober Standard 2 - the next + 20 or 30 images
Of course these are just names. They could be 'anything' you chose to call the next generation of the Neo set(s)!

This would make it even less daunting to shipset makers. It would also give modders the oppurtunity to do exactly what the want in the form of images they would like or feel they need for their mods.

It might even bring Modder and Shipset Builder closer together!

Just a thought!

dogscoff, by the way, that is why I wanted the text file setup the way I mentioned. For me being able to keep track of images needed/done. When we first started talking about the NXP!

mlmbd

PvK · #**186** January 25th, 2003, 11:25 PM

mlmbd, Dogscoff, image modders - have you ever made a ship called a large starliner? I don't think anyone has, as it's a pretty obscure ship. So I'm going to change the primary image for it to Barge, unless someone has ever made one.

Also, on the Neo-Standard web pages, I notice that the UkraTal Corvette image isn't labelled, and there is a broken link from http://www.sandman43.fsnet.co.uk/neo...ondownload.htm to "Neo-expansion main".

PvK

Andr�s · #**187** January 26th, 2003, 07:31 AM

In the Last discussions we mention the possibility of adding starliner or "noncombatant" pictures to the standard.

mlmbd · #**188** January 26th, 2003, 03:48 PM

PvK,

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image modders - have you ever made a ship called a large starliner?

Yes Sir, I have made both of the 'starliner' images Large and regular. I have also made your extra 'colony ship' image as well! When the name/additions gets all sorted out, I will send them to dogscoff.

mlmbd

orev_saara · #**189** January 26th, 2003, 09:46 PM

Ah, shipsets. In some ways, this is the hardest thing about modding, for us non-artists anyway. So I think I'll start by saying that anyone who Posts new ship graphics is one of the good guys in my book.

I haven't looked as closely at the neo-standard shipset as I probably should have, and maybe this has been done since I downloaded, and Lastly, it's not exactly on the topic, but what would help me most would be if those extra categories of stadard ships were flehed out for the races from the original SE. And maybe the TDM guys too. And an order of fries.

dogscoff · #**190** January 27th, 2003, 12:00 AM

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I haven't looked as closely at the neo-standard shipset as I probably should have, and maybe this has been done since I downloaded, and Lastly, it's not exactly on the topic, but

HI Orev. The Neo standard isn't a shipsets. It is that list of "extra catagories" you mention. Take a look at http://www.sandman43.fsnet.co.uk/neostand.htm for more details.

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what would help me most would be if those extra categories of stadard ships were flehed out for the races from the original SE. And maybe the TDM guys too. And an order of fries.

Your wish has been granted. Take a look at the neo-expansion project. http://www.sandman43.fsnet.co.uk/neostandexpansion.htm - There is still a lot of work to do but there is stuff there to play with already.