OberFuhrer, the Hobourg Special Hero!!!

[johan osterman]

Originally posted by Boron:
... or worst case they are nazis

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We all have tiny moustaches and polished boots. Prior to becoming a teacher Kristoffer wanted to become an architect. Ever so often we march down Malmoes streets alongside General Ludendorf and stage a coup d'etat.

[Cainehill]

Originally posted by johan osterman:

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Originally posted by Boron:
... or worst case they are nazis

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We all have tiny moustaches and polished boots. Prior to becoming a teacher Kristoffer wanted to become an architect. Ever so often we march down Malmoes streets alongside General Ludendorf and stage a coup d'etat.

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Good thing y'all do have a sense of humor, as many people would have been tremendously insulted by someone suggesting that they might be nazis.

[Sly Frog]

Look, oberfuhrer itself is an actual German word for an army rank, meaning something akin to a senior colonel in the U.S. army. It has nothing to do with Hitler or anything else, other than the base word fuhrer. Suggesting otherwise is akin to saying that "dictation machine" is funny because it shares a root with dictator.

[vigabrand]

I find it interesting that some people take offense to a fictional character's name because it has a certain german title in it, but at the same time play a game that has blood slaves who are sacrificed, can summon demons and devils in it, and can cast spells that destroy or hurt thousands upon thousands of people (albeit fictional). Chill out, it's just a game. BTW doesn't Sturmbanfuhrer mean sergeant in german? I think the title is used in different ways and doesn't need to be associated with evil in every sense.

It's actually a Brigadier General.

A Lieutentant Colonel is a Obersturmbannfuhrer.

Edit: Misread the Senior Part of Colonel, Slyfrog.

Also interesting note: The actual term for the Fuhrer (Adolf Hitler) would be Oberste Fuhrer in Wemacht and in SS rank was Der oberste Fuhrer der Schutzstaffel. Der Fuhrer Adolf Hitler.

If you see a Hoburg named that, maybe you'd have a point.

[ July 13, 2004, 21:02: Message edited by: Zen ]

[Norfleet]

Shouldn't this discussion be over already, based on some invocation of some important Internet law whose name eludes me?

[Pirateiam]

What astonished me after traveling in Germany is the laws against any Nazi insignias (a good example is the flag) even if it is done in a teaching or historical presentation. Correct me if I am wrong but is it not illegal in Germany to have even the Nazi flag in a game? From working on a Hearts of Iron (Paradox)Mod I remember that the game did not come with a Nazi flag because of this law. Now I understand that it could be offensive towards some people. Hell I lost two Uncles in that damned war fighting Germany but is it not riskier to close our eyes to history. If we deny the truths of history and hide from it you know damned well that we will repeat it! In fact I think we are on the road already. Embrace histrory for its good and evil, look at it in the eye and learn or before long it will stab us in the back!

[HotNifeThruButr]

I've read somewhere that the Swastika (sp?) used to be a symbol for protection. Now, it's a sign for racism and hate.

I'm sure many symbols' and words' meanings were changed throughout history because some bastard got his hands on 'em.

[Cohen]

This post was only to info the community about this hobourg!
Not a discussion about the terms used to call him nor I've anything against a word of the german vocabulary.

[Skolem]

Originally posted by HotNifeThruButr:
I've read somewhere that the Swastika (sp?) used to be a symbol for protection. Now, it's a sign for racism and hate.

Actually it isn't The nazy Symbol is just the inverse of the Swastika. Although it is just a theoritical point of view I would never drow a swatika because I fear most people wouldn't see the difference.
As for the discussion, every use of "Führer" in an modern context might be clear, it is use in many german tales and myth, because it wasen't mark, so from this point of view and remembering that dominions is a Myth/Fantasy Game it wouldn't be so choking to see a "Führer" here, as it would mean something completely different.
I think we should relativize the word and replace them in their context.
Skolem