APC Development and related topics.

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Don,
Only need to add Warrior SV that has just been approved recently under British MOD FRES program. Also added MBT items not found. Notes added as needed.
1. Norway/XA-203S/2007/C3 P7/12.7mm/http://www.military-today.com/apc/xa_203.htm
Other two countries have them in the game.

2. Taiwan/CM-32 YUNPAO IFV/C3 P6/20mm & RM 7.62mm/ http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product2671.html and http://www.military-today.com/apc/cm32_yunpao.htm
These refs and others indicate the APC and IFV variants are already fielded. Game makes APC variant not available I believe until 2012. FSV/C3/105mm variant doesn't appear available at this time, will track progress.

MBTs:
1. Jordon/M-60 PHOENIX/2005/C4/SB120mm, 12.7mm & 7.62mm/
http://www.military-today.com/tanks/m60_phoenix.htm, http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.o...3203.aspx?PF=1 and http://www.faqs.org/abstracts/Milita...oop-trial.html
The game shows Jordon with a "AL-RUKH" MBT which I couldn't find in a net search while doing my cross check and the game icon doesn't look the same as the picture below, that's why this is here.

2. Egypt/M-60 2000 120S/2009/C4/SB120mm, 12.7mm & 7.62mm/ http://en.academic.ru/dic.nsf/enwiki/262218 (Bottom), http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...d/m60-2000.htm and http://www.janes.com/defence/land_fo...0823_1_n.shtml
I wouldn't waste our time if I thought this MBT was a "mirage" but it's your call. I'm at 90% it's there, wish I could nail this down some more for you.

3. If time allows thought you would want a picture of the *BLACK EAGLE as it's listed with S. Korea to replace the artist concept drawing. Ref is for others as desired. http://www.military-today.com/tanks/t12_black_eagle.htm

Pics:




Have a Great Day EVERYONE!!,
Pat

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

All,
Just a couple of more pics for you:
From a Korean source looks more like the 2000 120S but that's how it was labled.



Everyone GOOD NIGHT!,
Pat

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Don,
I'm going to hold off on the WARRIOR SV, it won't meet our window for ops. There seems however to be info to support that the British are using WARRIORs with TOWs (army-technology.com) on board as they equipped them for the Kuwaitis on their DESERT WARRIORs. Maybe you (or someone else?) have better sources then I on this matter to meet the outline of info you require as discussed. I didn't see any for the British in the game unless I missed it. Also it would appear that the "Korean source" picture is correct for the Jordain M-60 PHOENIX (Post #13) and the picture I provided (Post #12) must be of one with add on armor protection. Links will show upgrades and images (to support the above), all from the manufacturer for the PHOENIX.
http://www.kaddb.com/static/project2.shtm and http://www.kaddb.com/static/projects/m60/1.htm (3 Images)
My work is done here for now and will move onto the MRAPs which again should only be about five or six types. Hope to have them cross referenced and posted later this week before I leave for vacation to "the great white north". No response needed, I know you're in CRUNCH time.
Regards,
Pat

[Mobhack]

Originally Posted by FASTBOAT TOUGH

Don,
I'm going to hold off on the WARRIOR SV, it won't meet our window for ops. There seems however to be info to support that the British are using WARRIORs with TOWs (army-technology.com) on board as they equipped them for the Kuwaitis on their DESERT WARRIORs. Maybe you (or someone else?) have better sources then I on this matter to meet the outline of info you require as discussed. I didn't see any for the British in the game unless I missed it. Also it would appear that the "Korean source" picture is correct for the Jordain M-60 PHOENIX (Post #13) and the picture I provided (Post #12) must be of one with add on armor protection. Links will show upgrades and images (to support the above), all from the manufacturer for the PHOENIX.
http://www.kaddb.com/static/project2.shtm and http://www.kaddb.com/static/projects/m60/1.htm (3 Images)
My work is done here for now and will move onto the MRAPs which again should only be about five or six types. Hope to have them cross referenced and posted later this week before I leave for vacation to "the great white north". No response needed, I know you're in CRUNCH time.
Regards,
Pat

Desert Warrior was an export-only item for 1 customer.

UK does not believe in APC with integrated ATGM, or ATGM integral to the rifle platoon. ATGM should be in own-unit support formations separate from the rifle platoon which can manoeuvre separately as required.

FRES Scout may (eventually) be decided some time in the next 2 or 3 years, after squillions have been p**sed down the drain over decades. Front runner seems to be a CV-90 with the 40mm CTWS turret. Maybe the 35mm. Choosing the 35mm bushmaster would be saner since it is used by many armies and the ammo is widely available, hence reasonable cost. 40CTWS would leave the army with a unique weapon system and calibre which is not good.

FRES APC is still further down the line it seems. The entire FRES programme has been a colossal waste of time and money. Only the UK MOD (which outnumbers the troops) could mis-manage this so wonderfully.

Andy

[thatguy96]

Here's another article on the subject of the FRES/WFLIP programs.

[DRG]

Pat. Save any further updates until after the next patch please. I'm a bit snowed under with work as it is

Thanks

Don

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Don,
No problem. Look forward to the patch when it's available, I have a sense this will be one of the biggest to date. In the meantime the AI awaits my return as my Japanese forces fight the Russians and North Koreans.
Take Care and the best to you on the MANY hours still ahead of you and the others. Do not hesitate to ask if I can help in some way.
Regards,
Pat
We know the risks in advance, yet we still volunteer to go deeper and further then most. Never fearful, never afraid but always respectful of the ocean cold and deep. Many have given their all whether by war or folly of man, just ask those still on eternal patrol, revered, remembered and never forgotten.
- Me.

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

All,
BAE unveils their demonstrator at last weeks IAV show in London. This is BAE's entry in the British MOD FRES program on an CV-90 chassis with British turret. It's worth watching BAE's You Tube "commercial" to see the guns firing on target as the chassis does continous 360 turns. See earlier post on topic and tracking for 2010 as a decision is to be made later this year on the winner.
http://defense-update.com/features/2...or_100210.html
Enjoy,
Pat

[Imp]

Another nice find the only problem I see with that gun is if we end up as the only user that said if your going to mount one it wants to be capable of taking out taxis etc & they are becoming tougher, more potent HE etc as well as larger. Does nicely get round the issue of bigger gun less ammo loadout, if the tech transfers 140mm tank guns might just make an appearance at some point though how long are the barrels going to be if that happens?

[EJ]

Fastboat,
Impressive find. How do you always find such great info on military vehicle development? This looks like a good replacement for the Bradley. We will see how many countries embrace it besides the UK.....