Mod: Warhammer MA: Empire

[Wrana]

3. Maybe that would be enough. But how to represent their Detachments...
4. Maybe I wasn't clear - I meant that I am against the current situation in WH when all Empire knights are considered to be from Orders (except Counts themselves, that is)!
7. Quite probably, I am not watching model lines closely. Also illustrations in Empire army books...

[Sombre]

Oh and no this isn't abandoned. I'll finish it eventually. I might even upload a bunch of graphics this weekend to tide people over. I admit I haven't worked on it forever though - all the stuff I could show you is old.

[HoneyBadger]

Sombre-as concerns plate armour: There are quite a few different varieties and methods of producing plate. Some are going to be quite heavy, particularly those mass produced, or cheaply produced-such as the average recruitable Dom3 unit. Very high quality plate, however, would have to either be made on a very limited basis because of the expense and level of skill to produce it, or be produced by a nation with an advanced infrastructure, like the Empire. The very best plate armour ever produced (from Kasten-Brust to Maximilian) covered you from head to toe, allowed completely free movement, and weighed no more than 50lbs.

[Sombre]

Originally Posted by HoneyBadger

Sombre-as concerns plate armour: There are quite a few different varieties and methods of producing plate. Some are going to be quite heavy, particularly those mass produced, or cheaply produced-such as the average recruitable Dom3 unit. Very high quality plate, however, would have to either be made on a very limited basis because of the expense and level of skill to produce it, or be produced by a nation with an advanced infrastructure, like the Empire. The very best plate armour ever produced (from Kasten-Brust to Maximilian) covered you from head to toe, allowed completely free movement, and weighed no more than 50lbs.

Well I'm not that fussed about history. Empire State Troops are generally depicted with plate cuirasses and so they're going to have some sort of chestplate armour. However in Warhammer they are not heavy infantry - they are medium at best. The Greatswords do have full plate and I'm ok with them being tough to kill (though without helmets, poor fellas), but the plate cuirass in dom3 is a bit much for the state troops.

[Wrana]

IIRC, there are some Greatsword regiments that don't wear helmets, but other do. In 6th ed. armybook I clearly see Wissenland Greatsword in Capellino helmet (p.11), some Greatswords in what is "Iron Cap" (p. 31), Carroburgers with both (p. 42), but Talabheim with no helmet as I see (same page). I don't have 7th ed. one on hand, but I think you will get similar pattern from it.

[HoneyBadger]

Eventually, I have plans to do some codifying of weapons and armour to use as a general reference of effectiveness for the game. It'll take a lot of work and research, so I won't be done with it any time real soon, but I think I can do a pretty good job of illustrating what weapons and armour in the game should be capable of doing, and where are the gaps.

Hopefully, it'll serve a purpose as a handy modding reference, for me if for noone else, since it can become very time consuming and very arbitrary to just guess at what a given piece of equipment ought to do.

I'm planning on making it quite complete, containing as it should all major and most minor ancient arms, up to an including the Renaissance.

[Wrana]

I am with you! In spirit, at least.. More seriously, I could be of help starting with October-November when I'll have enough time.

[HoneyBadger]

Good. You can work on military arms of Russia, the Slavic countries, Turkey, Mongolia, and Eastern Europe. Just give me a list, sorted by region and approximate date, with a picture if you can find one, any references, and a short description.

[Wrana]

I have to say beforehand that I don't know much about Slavic countries (I have some good articles on Poland, but not Bohemia or Serbia). Turkey & especially Mongolia would be easier - I have some friends who dig deeply indeed on these. I personally am more interested in Ancient Greece and Hellenistic world, though, of course, I have some information on Russian developments. Plus European Renessaince (mostly Germany and England), and I have also information on China and surrounding regions, particularly Korea.

[Sombre]

Take it to another thread, please.