Future Combat Systems ---- USA

[kevineduguay1]

Will these pics help?

[whdonnelly]

The MGS has finally arrived. According to press releases it goes from the good to the laughable.
The good:
The MGS will carry four types of ammunition: a depleted-uranium armor-piercing round, a high-explosive anti-tank round, a high-explosive plastic round for blowing through walls and barricades, and a canister round filled with 2,300 tungsten ball bearings for firing on enemy fighters.

The funny(this is an 18 round 105mm we're talking about):
The MGS packs "exactly the same, if not a little more enhanced" firepower as the much heavier 70-ton Abrams tank, but is not as sturdy defensively, Cooper said.

The first quote is good, the second one is hard to explain.
Take care
Will

[pdoktar]

Here we go. This unbelievable spread of mis-information is the disease of our age. Who the hell is this "Cooper"? Packs maybe even more punch than a Abrams.. WHAT? I hate the press. They act like they know everything about everything, just because they´re the ones who spread info or act like a medium of information to the poor Jacks and Jills of modern western society.

In what way 18x105 is more than 44x120.. I don´t care if those guys are going to fight on toyotas or Devastators form the game Dune2. I care when this kind of ridiculous info meets the public, who can´t weigh the facts as they have little experience of such complex weapon systems, and are actually told lies (again).

[whdonnelly]

Here's another good one:
M1A2 SEP Hits a Moving T72 from 8km
In the first beyond line of sight mission test held at the U.S. Army's Yuma, Ariz., Proving Grounds on Sept. 25, 2006, the laser guided MRM-CE projectile fired from an Abrams M1A2 SEP (system enhancement program) tank scored an extended-range, guided direct hit at a moving T-72 tank at a range of 5.4 miles (8.7 km). The test demonstrated the laser-guided seeker's ability to successfully target, acquire and track a moving tank and guide the munition to intercept at the required range.

[pdoktar]

So basicly an gun-fired ATGM did hit a target at 8 kliks. What a surprise..!! Not even a KEM munition, if MRM-CE means Medium Range Missile-Chemical Energy.
Oh.. the tables have really turned now, revolutionazing ground warfare.

[narwan]

8 kilometres is medium range????

[pdoktar]

Well.. I´m thiking of medium range. Since everything is improving all the time..

I have no idea what this weapon / missile is. So I just tried my best making it sound just more than a M1A2SEP MRM-CE munition.

[whdonnelly]

It's hard to get a good description of this round. It's been described as a JDAM for tanks by one guy, and as something completely new by another. It's called a chemical energy kinetic round, which seems to be a contradiction. It has small rocket motors, a GPS, and some other targeting sensors. BUT you are right, it is described as medium range.

[pdoktar]

Maybe some kind of EFP round? You could describe an EFP chemical energy formed kinetic round.. Then we´d be talking yet again of age-old tech, but who knows..

Funny, if you could use the speed exploding HEAT gases to propel some kind of kinetic round. If it could take the shock it would be fast. But then again, if it would be so fast that it would brake-up on impact, as some current APFSDS-rounds at hyper velocity..

[Listy]

whdonnelly said:
Here's another good one:
M1A2 SEP Hits a Moving T72 from 8km
In the first beyond line of sight mission test held at the U.S. Army's Yuma, Ariz., Proving Grounds on Sept. 25, 2006, the laser guided MRM-CE projectile fired from an Abrams M1A2 SEP (system enhancement program) tank scored an extended-range, guided direct hit at a moving T-72 tank at a range of 5.4 miles (8.7 km). The test demonstrated the laser-guided seeker's ability to successfully target, acquire and track a moving tank and guide the munition to intercept at the required range.

Question..
Who came out on top of that engament in the finacial exchange?