Is this game worth to buy? Hum. - Page 2

-Storm- · #11 October 28th, 2003, 05:27 PM

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Originally posted by cpbeller:

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Originally posted by Wendigo:
I actually believe we are being trolled by this SK.

Which sane person would register in a forum of a game he doesn't intend to buy, only to say so? Why bother? This is just a person with issues, maybe a new incarnation of a previous troll.

i think this too....and if it is true, then I think i know who it is

Actually, the demo was released at about 7 am yesterday morning, standard eastern time....at about 10:30 am, MStavros started posting about the AI...3 - 4 hours of gameplay....and then this new guy, saying the EXACT same things as another one....sounds dubious to me....

Yo man, what's wrong with you? He has the right to tell us his opinion. Just like you have the right, to post your opinion about his opinion...er..whatever.

I only say: don't bash anyone in the head, if you don't like his/her opinion. It is very childish.

Oh and maybe you won't like it, but I don't like this AI at all. I am the TROLL KING than?

[ October 28, 2003, 15:30: Message edited by: -Storm- ]

st.patrik · #12 October 28th, 2003, 05:30 PM

Are the AI complainers playing with "impossible" AI? Maybe they don't realise that there's more than one setting.

-Storm- · #13 October 28th, 2003, 05:32 PM

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Originally posted by st.patrik:
Are the AI complainers playing with "impossible" AI? Maybe they don't realise that there's more than one setting.

Yup I had those games against impossible AIs.
But wait, I thought that impossible = best AI.

Psitticine · #14 October 28th, 2003, 05:45 PM

Wendigo,

Excellent post, with some very good points.

For those who are finding the AI easy, tell us what you did and how it defeated the AI. Even the best AI is still just a set of computer algorithms and can thus be improved, and that's exactly the information that will be required to continue developing it.

And if you can't let us know what you do, I'm afraid you can't blame people very much for thinking you are just posting to cause trouble. Support what you say, and you'll find a different reception than making totally unsupported, inflamatory remarks will bring you.

-Storm- · #15 October 28th, 2003, 05:49 PM

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Originally posted by Psitticine:
Wendigo,

Excellent post, with some very good points.

For those who are finding the AI easy, tell us what you did and how it defeated the AI. Even the best AI is still just a set of computer algorithms and can thus be improved, and that's exactly the information that will be required to continue developing it.

And if you can't let us know what you do, I'm afraid you can't blame people very much for thinking you are just posting to cause trouble. Support what you say, and you'll find a different reception than making totally unsupported, inflamatory remarks will bring you.

Psitticine, I've made a post about my games in the poll thread. I hope that it will be helpful.

MythicalMino · #16 October 28th, 2003, 05:52 PM

St. Patrik, yeah, some of them has.....that is what they have said....

Now, to everyone else:

Besides, as far as the "accusations"....well, when ppl post only to trash something, then yes, I think that is reflective of a certain type of Online behavior....What has Stavros posted since the demo has been released, only his demands and musts, and that the AI is pathetic...this new guy, only that the ai sucks...nothing more...nothing less...

IF, he is not a troll, i apologize....BUT, look at the Posts. Sure, they are opinions...but you mean to tell me that there is not one good thing that these guys can find in this game? ONLY that the AI sucks, and is pathetic, and that the devs suck at programming a good AI? Tell me in what pc game you have played that the AI was great...

Galciv is the only one that i can really come to think about....and in that one, there was only what, 6 races, and ONLY 1 playable? Brad Wardall did a GREAT job in that game...but Dominions is still a whole lot more complex than that game....hell, it is more complex than I would say ANY game out on the market right now.

Civ's AI? I have been hearing about how ppl abuse that since day one too ( the great Sid Meier even!!)....any rts AI's? again, ppl abuse it, or it cheats....

perhaps the AI isn't perfect...but does that mean that is the ONLY thing you can post about? What about the upgrades to the interface? what about the upgrades to the main map gfx? What about the 3 new nations? What about....I could go on forever really.

But you see, that is all that is being brought up, everytime they post, how the AI sucks...Hell man, the game (the DEMO, not the full Version) has only been out a little more than a day....and ppl are bashing it for the AI....which realy should take more time than 4 hours to truly test...

I am done with the SP vs. MP crap...I know what has been said before, in the newsGroups, and I am not going to go spend my day off from work searching for to only to have it be denied by the ppl that are asking for it.

What really gets me about all of this, is the demands by ppl. there are 17 distinct nations....if IW was to put together a great AI that ppl are demanding, personally, it seems about impossible. They would have to create a unique individual AI for each nation, due to the differences in the nations...Again, I go to galciv, only 5 AI's had to be programmed...and you know what, many ppl complained about those too....Technology is not ready to produce "Terminator" AI...

I have tried to make this post as civil as i could...you CANNOT make demands, customers are not ALWAYS right....customers DO NOT always know what is best....i have worked in retail most all my working life...and I will tell you, customers can ask for the most IMPOSSIBLE, UNTHINKABLE things, in the most DISRESPECTFUL manner....

That is what I have been attempting to address....but everyone wants to jump on the side issue....make suggestions...BUT, customer or not, pre-paid or just looking, fan or no fan, that is all you can do. We did not develop this game, it is what it is. It has come from what it came from. Dominions I lead to Dominions II...we need to face the facts, and understand that the Developers and Publishers are NOT our life slaves, and that we cannot push them around with our demands, no matter how good those demands may seem. No matter how logical those demands may appear.

It is much better for me to ask you for 20 dollars, than to demand 20 dollars....If I demanded 20 dollars, then I would be a thief and a robber...

Those are my points...take them or leave them....they are truth...and if you want to flame me and bash me, I recommend you re-read this post....and truly understand what I am saying....

-Storm- · #17 October 28th, 2003, 05:58 PM

I got your point. It's not cool to see Posts like that, but everyone have the right to do it.
You are very true, that some Posts are FAR from constructive....I tried to post some infos about my games against the AI. I can't help more, I don't know why is the AI weak. All I know is, that I can beat the AI too easily.

cpbeller, you are preferring the SP, as you've said before.
Play some games, and tell us the details of those games. I guess you will win all games against the AI...but we shall see.
Play 4 - 5 games, and post your experience with the AI.

[ October 28, 2003, 15:59: Message edited by: -Storm- ]

Nerfix · #18 October 28th, 2003, 06:07 PM

Kinda OT, but the AI declares wars on you.
"A message from Caelum"
"We hereby declare war against your unholy nation"

ywl · #19 October 28th, 2003, 06:11 PM

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Originally posted by Zerger:
I found this very odd. I mean propably we all tried out this Dominions II. demo. Aren't we?
We all have opinion about it? Is that correct?
So if some ppl here don't like the AI, they are trolls? You can't be serious.

Okay why is the AI weak? Hm well I have no idea, that how is this AI working, but I played 5 games with the demo.

First game against 2 AIs @ hardest level: I beat them both easily.
Second game against 4 AIs on map 2, hardest level, I won again.
Third game against 1 AI on map 1, hardest level, I killed the AI easily.
Fourth game against 4 AIs on map 1, I lost this game, but I had a 3 front war.
I won the 5th game again against 3 AIs. [Hardest level]

I am not a veteran player. What do YOU think? The AI is good or not?
I am almost a newbie, and I can beat the hell out of the demo AI. I tend to think that the AI is bad. If it is easy to kill the AI, what is your opinion about it than? Is it good? Guys even a newbie like me can crush the AI. Isn't this funny?

My question is: The AI will be better in the full game?

Other than the AI, the game is good. I love the graphics and the music is good too.
Too bad that I have no time for multiplayer, and I hate Pbem. It is too slow and annoying.

Those maps are too large to 3 to 4 players. I don't know whether it's because the limitation of the AI or it's because the small number of players favor human.

But I'm also curious... There is a 40 turns limit to the demo. Right? How can you even finish the game in such a short time? You just went for the throat and attacked the AIs on sight?

Psitticine · #20 October 28th, 2003, 07:06 PM

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Originally posted by -Storm-:

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Originally posted by Psitticine:
Wendigo,

Excellent post, with some very good points.

For those who are finding the AI easy, tell us what you did and how it defeated the AI. Even the best AI is still just a set of computer algorithms and can thus be improved, and that's exactly the information that will be required to continue developing it.

And if you can't let us know what you do, I'm afraid you can't blame people very much for thinking you are just posting to cause trouble. Support what you say, and you'll find a different reception than making totally unsupported, inflamatory remarks will bring you.

Psitticine, I've made a post about my games in the poll thread. I hope that it will be helpful.

Yes, I do indeed think it will be very helpful! I posted my note here before I read your one in the poll thread, but your note there is exactly what I was thinking of. As Kristoffer has so obviously demonstrated, everybody does appreciate feedback with content.

Thanks!