Priests and LA Ermor

[Lord_Bob]

That was a real answer. Thank you. I find confort in knowing that the standard garbage answer to dealing with Ermor is complete nonsense.

-They are Prophet(one H3)

Total Number Fielded-1

- Crystal Shield(E1,S1 for for +1H)

Crystal Shield costs 25 astral. So I'm certain you're joking about using this. You are joking, right?

-Power of the Spheres(S1 spell and one pearl for +1H)

Mages that cast "Power of the Spheres" refuse to cast banishment after Turn 5. They instead elect to pass out casting "Blade Wind" against units with tower shields. I'm sure other national priest/mages are similiarly pyscho.

-Works! Communions:

I used "Crystal Matrixs" to get a Communion going, and the priests went insane, cast Banishment twice a turn, and charged the undead. I suppose I'll pen them up so they can't charge, and use this ERROR IN CODE on Ermor.

-Sabbaths(easy to get a +2H with four slaves)
-Hellpower(B3 and 3 slaves for +2H, beware the Horrors),

LA Mictlan undoubtly slaughters Ermor

-and summoning Telestic Animations(H2)

Ok, this is usefull. It has ALOT of problems with it, but usefull.

-Ps. Penetration rules. Eyes of the Void and Spell Focuses are a must to counter a self-buffing Ermor.

Yes, I was trying to give them to Marignon for free, but he has decided he "was dead", and refused to answer any messages.

[K]

Lord_Bob said:

- Crystal Shield(E1,S1 for for +1H)

Crystal Shield costs 25 astral. So I'm certain you're joking about using this. You are joking, right?

Heck no. Take a Prophet, and a Crystal Shield(only 11 earth and 7 Astral with a Hammer), and a four slave communion, and you've got a Holy 6.

I don't care who you are or what you have seen, because you will be impressed when you see a H6 cast Banishment.

Lord_Bob said:
-Power of the Spheres(S1 spell and one pearl for +1H)

Mages that cast "Power of the Spheres" refuse to cast banishment after Turn 5. They instead elect to pass out casting "Blade Wind" against units with tower shields. I'm sure other national priest/mages are similiarly pyscho.

Odd. I find in general the AI choses the available spell with the highest AoE. Can you field a non-Earth Holy mage?

Lord_Bob said:
-Works! Communions:

I used "Crystal Matrixs" to get a Communion going, and the priests went insane, cast Banishment twice a turn, and charged the undead. I suppose I'll pen them up so they can't charge, and use this ERROR IN CODE on Ermor.

Do you have a Nature 9 or 10 Bless(making holies Beserk), because casters are not supposed to do stuff like that. Also check your scripting: communioned mages should be set to Cast/Cast/cast/cast/cast spells.

Also, watch out for the danger of putting to many masters in a Communion. Each time a master casts a spell, each slave also get's their own spellcasting fatigue, meaning a slave with 4 masters anf a spellcasting fatigue of 4 and casting their own Banishment will get 20 fatigue a turn on top of their portion of the master's fatigue.

[Lord_Bob]

Lord_Bob said:
-Works! Communions:

I used "Crystal Matrixs" to get a Communion going, and the priests went insane, cast Banishment twice a turn, and charged the undead. I suppose I'll pen them up so they can't charge, and use this ERROR IN CODE on Ermor.




Do you have a Nature 9 or 10 Bless(making holies Beserk), because casters are not supposed to do stuff like that. Also check your scripting: communioned mages should be set to Cast/Cast/cast/cast/cast spells.

Also, watch out for the danger of putting to many masters in a Communion. Each time a master casts a spell, each slave also get's their own spellcasting fatigue, meaning a slave with 4 masters anf a spellcasting fatigue of 4 and casting their own Banishment will get 20 fatigue a turn on top of their portion of the master's fatigue.

This is a known bug. After experiencing it, I looked it up in the Bug List. Search for "Communion"

You've got a good point about the super-boosted Prophet.

[calmon]

What are "castle undeads"? Do you mean the cavalry?

Well Ermor is strong in conventional battles. Priests (Holy 1 in your case?)help but say are not the "all time" solution.

The big disadvantage of LA ermor is the lack of non gem mages. A good build army can defeat thousands of undeads without taking damage. Right build SC's do the same. However thats primary in the mid/lategame so you will have your problems in early game.

[thejeff]

I'm not sure about the uselessness of H1 priests. Sure, H2 or H3 are better, but it's often cheaper and easier to field 10 H1 priests than 5 H2s. And almost certainly not worth boosting standard H1 priests with Crystal Shields or artifacts. If you've got cheap Astral/Blood priests, communion is great for boosting some (No fatigue, so have the slaves banish as well.)

The key to H1 priests is quantity. For a major fight against LA Ermor, you'd want 20-30, along with some real mages and a meat shield.

[Meglobob]

I recently won a MP game with LA Ermor and I must say lvl 1 priests where a very small threat to my undead, even when massed in large numbers 20-30.

I made sure every battle I fought I had darkness, rigor mortis and protection of the sepulchre up. This meant I would often destroy far more of the enemy or equal numbers, which of course means Ermor wins given its huge freespawn every turn.

What did give me trouble was LA Ctis spamming wither bones, I lost many 1,000's of undead to that and LA Tien Chi's anchestor smiths casting multiple rain of stones. Rain of Stones destroyed a 1,500 strong undead army in a mere 4 combats rounds.

If you can destroy 75% of the undead quickly the rest will autoroute, pretty much resulting in 100% casulties for LA Ermor.

[Lord_Bob]

-What are "castle undeads"? Do you mean the cavalry?

Well Ermor is strong in conventional battles. Priests (Holy 1 in your case?)help but say are not the "all time" solution.

The big disadvantage of LA ermor is the lack of non gem mages. A good build army can defeat thousands of undeads without taking damage. Right build SC's do the same. However thats primary in the mid/lategame so you will have your problems in early game.

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By all means tell me the "good build". Any LA nation, except no H3 priests.