Wishlist: Assassinations

[quantum_mechani]

Originally Posted by Dorjan

They do. I've had it happen loads already.

I have as well actually.

That said, assassination falls into the category of quite niche at best.

[Dorjan]

Originally Posted by quantum_mechani

I have as well actually.

That said, assassination falls into the category of quite niche at best.

Wow, I've not played a MP game without at least 50 assasination attempts happening against me.

[quantum_mechani]

Originally Posted by Dorjan

Wow, I've not played a MP game without at least 50 assasination attempts happening against me.

That's pretty odd... are we talking about a lot of cheapo assassins, or a few really elite ones?

The problem, is both kinds of some serious issues. A swarm of cheapo assassins can do really well the first turn or two they start, but usually just a few mundane bodyguards will do them in, which people quickly catch on to.

Elite ones can face down most bodyguards fine, but it only takes a few specially set up 'trap' mages with the right scripts to end their reign of terror.

Both kinds also ultimately have issues with patrolling and mind hunt.

EDIT: Unless, like llama pointed out, you are talking about one shot assassin spells, which are indeed all over the place.

[Dorjan]

Originally Posted by llamabeast

Hmm, as a guardian against an earth attack you need something big. Maybe a Crusher? That should easily hold it to give your mage time to get to the end of his script and do something clever.

What if you are caelum? They are mages that travel 3, the speed 2 elites are useless to defend and I would have to slow my entire army down (removing one of caelums advantages) to even give a single mage per summon, a chance.

If the mage was a battlefield support mage then he would die anyway as he would just end up casting a battlefield spell and waiting 4 turns

[Endoperez]

If you can spare Water gems, Bottles of Living Water. 10 Water gems each, less if your Caelum has Icecrafters (forge bonus), even less if you have Dwarven Hammers. Summons a new Water Elemental at the beginning of battle, so no losses unless you lose and it doesn't even slow your army down.

There is, however, problem with the 75% hp-loss rule. The elemental has several forms, but only the first one is calculated for the starting hp. That means that you still have to have other bodyguards. Something with high hp, like Wyverns, might help a little.

[cleveland]

I liked Zeldor's idea of allowing a 2nd script specific for assassination.

That might have just saved a Mother of Avalon who, when alone and staring down the barrel of an Emposioner, let loose with Mass Protection (which does require gems). If a barkskinned, exhausted mage falls in an assassination, and no bodyguards are around to hear it, does she make a sound?

[Loren]

Originally Posted by cleveland

I liked Zeldor's idea of allowing a 2nd script specific for assassination.

That might have just saved a Mother of Avalon who, when alone and staring down the barrel of an Emposioner, let loose with Mass Protection (which does require gems). If a barkskinned, exhausted mage falls in an assassination, and no bodyguards are around to hear it, does she make a sound?

Agreed. Multiple scripts are the right answer.

[llamabeast]

If the mage was a battlefield support mage then he would die anyway as he would just end up casting a battlefield spell and waiting 4 turns

Why do you have your mages scripted to wait four turns? If you had them on [support spell][cast spells] they'd at least be able to defend themselves after the first round.

[Dorjan]

Originally Posted by llamabeast

Why do you have your mages scripted to wait four turns? If you had them on [support spell][cast spells] they'd at least be able to defend themselves after the first round.

Because it's set up for a army situation, I want them to rest for 4 turns so they won't be fatuged and able to cast bigger spells when the scripting ends

[llamabeast]

That might have just saved a Mother of Avalon who, when alone and staring down the barrel of an Emposioner, let loose with Mass Protection (which does require gems). If a barkskinned, exhausted mage falls in an assassination, and no bodyguards are around to hear it, does she make a sound?

Gosh, that's shocking. I really didn't think it would do that.